03-11-2014, 01:35 PM | #89 | |
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I hate it when ppl say enthusiasts only drive manuals or the other way round. Its simply one's personal choice. I do enjoy automatic once in a while as a loaner or occasional rental, but just for a day or two. For me it becomes boring. I really don't care about 0-60 timings, I don't race on public roads. Here is my answer to your question which you don't understand : I enjoy engaging my 2 hands and legs with my car, I enjoy the sound of moving stick shifter, I enjoy when I can manipulate the shifting when I want to hear some specific sound from the Performance exhaust (though you can do it with DCT as well) and my wife enjoys 6MT sitting next to me. |
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03-11-2014, 01:38 PM | #90 | |
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03-11-2014, 01:40 PM | #91 |
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Automatic transmissions are ancient tech at this point. The sky isn't falling.
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03-11-2014, 02:05 PM | #92 |
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I don't get this "need" for manual transmission. My cars have only been manual, I have driven some automatics/dual-clutches, and I can't say what I prefer more. It depends on the car. If a comfortable/luxury car, I'd prefer automatic, if a simple/hard-core/fun car I'd prefer manual.
I really don't see what is so special about driving a manual, most privately owned cars in Europe are manual, or other wise said, the more expensive the car, the less likely to be manual. You won't find too many manual BMW 530d, but very many of 318d are manual. I don't know, but driver involvement has little to do with manual. It is about the whole package. I have really no fun driving 60 PS cars, eventhough they have manual. Exactly. And very often the financial aspect is also a decisional factor. |
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No complaints here...Porsche is doing the same with their new models. My great-grandchildren probably wont even be able to control their cars on the road as we move towards automatic driving systems. Glad i'll be long gone before this happens.
Ha...for once I am ok with being older than the avg forum member
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Funny, I wanted a 6MT 335i so I held out for one, now that I have it I wish I had an auto lol I just think the manual trans in my E92 is terrible, a few steps up than the one from my first car, an '87 Sentra, but just a few. Its as if the car doesnt want to be driven hard or even shifted quickly. I enjoy the car but thats one thing I would go back and change if I could.
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03-11-2014, 02:23 PM | #96 | |
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I haven't found an auto that is fun yet, but I also haven't tried the DCT since it is barely available. At this point, spending $70k on an M3 is not going to make me want to switch to the DCT. If it was offered in the standard 2 and 3-series cars, then maybe. The 8-sp auto is not good enough to me.
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03-11-2014, 02:33 PM | #97 | |
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I agree with a previous poster's comment on drive by wire. To me, that development was far worse for control and driver involvement than the AT>
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03-11-2014, 02:59 PM | #99 |
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I'm 30 years young, and most (no take that back) all of my friends have stopped buying manual transmissions, and have certainly stopped modding their cars. My best friend, who pulled a Rockford on a Z4 when we were unattended and given keys to drive around town at a BMW ultimate driving experience when we were teenagers....he now drives a Prius. I'm the last enthusiast, as it were. I've owned six cars in my 15 years of driving, with an even split between MT and AT. Until now.
I get it, adulthood sets in, and most adults are satisfied in purchasing/leasing a new or used car with a host of options, and most choose to purchase automatic transmissions. If my best friend had piles of cash laying around, he would certainly have a second and third car and both would probably be manuals and they might even be slightly modded. Then there's me, I've never owned a car that I didn't completely take apart, or at the very least attempt an entire disassembly just to implement some modification or other before turning my car over to better more capable mechanical minds. I put a navigation system in an Audi that wasn't supposed to have one, I upgraded the navigation in my current 335i to a CIC navigation. I installed short shifters myself in every manual car I've ever owned. I've done lots of other backyard modifications and taken over family and friend's garages to host surgical operations on my cars. Some projects have taken a few hours, others a few days. I mention my insatiable thirst for enthusiastic automotive modding in the form of performance, aesthetics, gadgetry, etc. because I mean to make it known I'm not entirely sensible. Which brings me to my current car, a 2007 BMW 335i Auto retrofitted with a manual transmission. You see, I previously owned a MT 2008 BMW 335i, and in between that car and the current a Supercharged Range Rover Sport. I could have sold my current 335i and traded it in for a manual, but I chose to teach myself a lesson in converting my automatic 335i into a manual for two purposes. The first, to enjoy the manual that much more knowing the car wasn't intended to be one. The second reason for the conversion, so I would never again forget how much I enjoy driving a manual having my conversion serve as a constant reminder of my love of manual transmission. And if you're going to comment on logic, pragmatics, and sensibility please keep in mind I was and am fully aware of my lack of all of these characteristics. Manual transmissions are here to stay, at least in my retrofitted 335i. |
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You're like the poster child for MT lovers.
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- One can argue a Porsche Cayman should be had with PDK because it's low relatively low power, so the PDK takes advantage of that and squeezes all the performance of the engine. - The other person can argue, since it's not the most powerful engine, why not get MT so you can really enjoy a hell of a sports car. Hell there will always be a faster car out there so what are you trying to prove(think GTR, Corvette ect...) ? Who is right? Both. It's all down to personal choice, which is why I hope we are still given the option.
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Just a thought or two
I don't know if this was touched on or not yet, but I don't think a 6 speed MT compared to a 7 speed DCT is apples to apples. I know the DCT can shift faster, which gives it an advantage.
Look at the Porsche 911s. 7 speed MT to 7 speed PDK. The mpg is nearly the same and the 0-60 is close as well. The MT gets 19/27 and the PDK gets 20/27. 0-60 is 4.3 for the MT and 4.1 for the PDK (3.9 in sport plus). I'm not arguing one is better, to each his own, but I would love to see BMW put a 7 speed MT in the M3/M4. My current car is a 535i with steptronic, but I'm looking to move to a M4 with a MT. Even if I don't get an M4, my next car is going to be a MT. All my other cars before that were MT and I couldn't find a 535i in a MT, so I went with an auto. It is time to switch back for me. |
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03-11-2014, 03:42 PM | #104 | |
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I test-drove both MT and AT before getting my current car. I do 95% commuting on highways, and 5% spirited driving in weekends. For those 5%, I chose the MT, and the other 95% I miss the AT, solely for the comfort. Next time, I might decide to go with AT. Getting older you know... Edit: And no, it's not a macho thing. Everybody here learned driving MT at 18 years old. MT has been the standard in Western Europe for the last 50 years. Practically every woman who drives a car, knows how to drive MT. Last edited by hwelvaar; 03-11-2014 at 03:49 PM.. |
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MT is dead .
There is a 25% of people who accept changes latest than the rest 75% . Whoever had a serious sales seminar knows that. It is very unlikely that these people will accept something new easily. I drove Mt for 8 years. It was hard for me to accept that a machine can replace me! Naturally i think that its safer to grab the steering using both of my arms and this is without any doubt the most serious advantage that a good AT offers during fast driving conditions! Forgot to say that after going dct at Z435i there is no return. Once you go AT (dct), you never go back (Mt) |
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BMW must keep on offering it if you ask me.
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