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I would never have bought a 1-Series simply because it's to impractical in the big picture for my needs. RWD is something I don't need nor is it something that excites me. Between a BMW 1-Series and say a Volkswagen Golf Variant (wagon), I'd look at the overall practicality and take the Golf wagon for example simply because it has more space for rear passengers and a larger luggage compartment. From BMW an X1 or X3 or a 3er Touring with AWD would have been more practical for me (although I find the 3er Touring has a very small luggage compartment when compared to the S204 Mercedes C-Class for example). Again, I love my 118i, I really do, but from a practical point of view it's handicapped because it's a small car with RWD. That's not a slap against BMW or the 1-Series, just a FACT. By the way, Auto Motor und Sport is reporting that the facelifted X1 will no longer be RWD but become FWD with AWD being optional.
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the dreaded G word
Now, Now, let's not start something else we won't quite finish
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The facelifted X1 is for sale now and it is RWD or AWD (xDrive)....maybe AMS is reffering to the next generation and not the facelift model.
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08-09-2012, 02:35 AM | #51 |
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I inherited a ferrari enzo from my grandma. It is really poor when going off-road and it's really not enough room for the family, the dogs and the skiing-gear to fit when we go on our yearly vacation to the alps. Ferrari really ought to change their cars to solve all those issues... or maybe I should trade the enzo for a toyota landcruiser I don't know...hm...nah that doesn't make sense... ferrari should change the concept, that's logical
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08-14-2012, 05:02 PM | #53 | |
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Golf GTi and more recently Focus ST to name only two prove there is nice balance potential uptil the hot hach level. So why not? AWD is always more expensive, heavier and reducing driveline efficiency. FWD will be good uptil 118i and 120d level. |
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08-14-2012, 05:07 PM | #54 | |
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I believe this is the harvest ground for Audi. Actually, people desire a BMW, but they chose the Audi for the FWD!! |
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08-14-2012, 05:15 PM | #55 | |
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BTW, BMW also told us bimmers would never-ever have a diesel engine, then a gasoline turbo engine, than an M never would have forced induction, and an M never would be automatic. Probably BMW would also never go into SUV's either, certainly not the Ms... but look what they offer now! |
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When you don't sell one million a year, you're dead meat, that was the word in the early nineties already!! BMW is not like Bentley, or Maybach or Bugatti or Porsche or Lamborghini or... which all belong to a mother group and can only deliver by having free access to 85% of the parts already available. BMW stands alone and can share almost no technology although they try very hard. Premium is not equal to exclusive and GM and Chrysler have nothing to compare to BMW. Those are certainly not premium. |
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But to us as customers, that's all sunk cost. Now is now, and I'am glad they don't respect the borders of their own crap. They would be dead within 10 years from now when they would. Next time you buy a car, just compare it to the competition. Passing the ultimate test is that they still are on top in feel even when they feature a 1.0-3cil engine. |
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Maybe you should bring in your idea that Mini doesn't have the broad appeal like BMW has. They have their original three doors mini, but all the rest they try is not really highly successfull either. So they don't seem to be able to easily move out of the city car segment. BMW probably needs faster and broader leverage via their own FWD product. Also probably the entire customer group in the lowest BMW segment, don't car a bit for the RWD. Even more, they would probably pay even extra to have a FWD equivalent!! Profitability is higher since assembly cost is lower. All this, of course, in order to survive and build us sufficient nicely balanced RWD platforms. This, as the only remaining RWD mass market manufacturer! |
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The sandwich floor disappeared since it was way too expensive, rather heavy and not technological dominant on longer term. The new A-class has become a hatchback and is no longer a mini SUV so sandwich is obsolete now. |
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It was a bigger cultural jump for Porsche when it decided to make a 4x4 and then add a diesel model. Now the cayenne is its biggest selling and most profitable model. The positive is it allows technology economy of scales, which benefits the development of the 911, boxster and cayman models...so a fwd BMW model is a much lesser jump and will have more of an effect on the next mini and act as a bridge between the two marks.
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Or..... FWD could spread like wildfire throughout the line-up. I think that is what most people are worried about. Because even if they say it will be limited to the 1-GT we all know how much faith to put in what they say they won't do.
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For high performance, RWD is still top. But, when all 535d, 550i and M5 buyers trade in their car for a 520d and 520i, than we best start fearing for the RWD future. |
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08-16-2012, 04:56 PM | #66 |
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Autobild have spoilt the surprise in some regards a few weeks early as they preview the 1er Compactive Sports Tourer in their latest issue.
No matter what you think about the concept, BMW's curent focus is on a product offensive and by that , concepts that can be conceived by extensive matrix sharing and the latest modular platforms. The vehicles due from BMW over the next year are purely profit driven products. The 1er Compactive Sports Tourer and the BMW 3er Gran Turismo will both be shown in concept form at the Paris Autoshow in September. Marking the first spun-off models from the existing 1er and 3er portfolios. And the first generation of a new profitable MINI family.
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