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03-17-2026, 07:55 AM
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Drives: '26 G80x M3
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by afadeev
Lexus is ahead of BMW, Toyota is far ahead of BMW.
One point in reliability is huge.
One makes simple cars, the other doesn't... that's says more about BMW and how reliable it is vs a company that makes Corollas.
Totally different metric, which is irrelevant for the purpose of this discussion (e.g.: Rivian has THE highest owner satisfaction, and the THE lowest reliability). Which means grand total of nothing, other than subjective "satisfaction" does not require "reliability". Some folks are "satisfied" by highly unreliable shiny toys:
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars...s-a1291429338/
It could also mean, they make simply more interesting cars...
What is your evidence to back-up this claim?
You continue to denigrate Lexus by calling it an "appliance", which is exactly how I would describe BMW's highest selling X1-X4 truck-a-ppliances.
Well considering most of the platform sits on Toyotas (some of which are basic FWD sedans) and it's hard to tell the difference between a grand highlander and an RX, that's a fair statement. Also, the X3 and X4 are phenomenal RWD biased vehicles that have some of the best driving dynamics of any SUV on the planet... the X1 and X2 are absolutely appliances but they are a tiny fraction of overall sales and in m35 format, they are still more engaging and more fun to drive than just about anything in the lexus line outside of the LC and IS
Not true.
You should be driving Lexus IS series - which has the highest reliability of that brand, as documented above.
That would be a very satisfying and very reliable outcome!
I am ok with not driving a car that has 15 year old underpinnings, a slow transmission, an infotainment system from 1975...
YMMV,
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