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Raw and refine are not mutually exclusive. You can have both but they cost money. 911's are a good example of having both rawness and refinement. I mean you can have rawness but not at the expense of refinement. In the case of the C8, they managed to achieve refinement at the expense of being raw, but at the C8 price point, it is justifiable. And that's what people are complaining that the C8 is a bit too numb and muted.
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