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      05-08-2013, 10:31 AM   #23
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Response from UK dealer

I have my order in for an M135i and was also excited by these upgrades. I placed the order on April 19th so expected to be on the borderline for the upgrades, and heard the following response from the dealer

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I have heard back from the product team and they have confirmed that both items have not been confirmed for the UK market.



The they think that the sail function will not come due to UK legislation and the launch control may eventually come but there is no conformation to date.


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Which is obviously different to what others have heard, and I know the Passat comes with coasting function already in the UK, so its strange that legislation would stop BMW...
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      05-10-2013, 09:06 AM   #24
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Just ordered 116i m Sport hope this is installed on it! =] be a massive bonus!! =]

im new to the board and this is my first post, been reading for a good few weeks and there is some interesting comments that have helped me choose the car and spec i have ordered!
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      05-10-2013, 02:32 PM   #25
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Just ordered 116i m Sport hope this is installed on it! =] be a massive bonus!! =]

im new to the board and this is my first post, been reading for a good few weeks and there is some interesting comments that have helped me choose the car and spec i have ordered!
My experience is that launch control is rarely needed in a 116i. It has more grip than power almost all the time, so you can floor it without risking wheelspin.
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      05-11-2013, 01:52 AM   #26
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Just ordered 116i m Sport hope this is installed on it! =] be a massive bonus!! =]

im new to the board and this is my first post, been reading for a good few weeks and there is some interesting comments that have helped me choose the car and spec i have ordered!
Launch control is only on the sport auto and you can only have that option on the 120d, 125d, 125i and M135i.

Don't worry though, having 8 gears means first is really low and off the line acceleration is crisp enough without tc.

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      05-11-2013, 02:11 AM   #27
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The they think that the sail function will not come due to UK legislation and the launch control may eventually come but there is no conformation to date.
I guess no sail function is of a safety concern, but manual drivers do it all the time popping in neutral..... Just sounds strange.
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      05-11-2013, 03:23 AM   #28
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Some VAG DSG's already have a sail function in the UK.

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      05-11-2013, 02:55 PM   #29
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I guess no sail function is of a safety concern, but manual drivers do it all the time popping in neutral..... Just sounds strange.
I never do it. I don't understand how that could save fuel.
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      05-11-2013, 07:41 PM   #30
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It's known as "angel gear", for the obvious reason that it can put you in a lot of trouble.
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      05-11-2013, 07:50 PM   #31
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In neutral one can coast longer distance. I guess that's it....
But you're right, it's really dangerous, any possible accident no drive to avoid it....
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      05-12-2013, 02:02 AM   #32
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In neutral one can coast longer distance. I guess that's it....
But you're right, it's really dangerous, any possible accident no drive to avoid it....
But the engine is spending fuel while you are coasting, just like it would do while just rolling along in top gear. If you go off the throttle, the fuel is cut, but you will also lose kinetic energy faster.

The important thing is to stay off the brakes if you want to save fuel, as they only turn your energy into wasted heat.

And what is the danger of coasting? What trouble can it get you into?
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      05-12-2013, 02:21 AM   #33
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Probably no real danger to an experienced driver, but --because people tend to do it down hill -- an inexperienced drive can find themselves going into a corner with no drive, braking in the wrong place, and losing control of an unstable car.

That said, I'm sure the modern systems have various electronic interventions to prevent this, especially for automatic/DSG equipped cars.
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      05-12-2013, 02:32 AM   #34
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Probably no real danger to an experienced driver, but --because people tend to do it down hill -- an inexperienced drive can find themselves going into a corner with no drive, braking in the wrong place, and losing control of an unstable car.

That said, I'm sure the modern systems have various electronic interventions to prevent this, especially for automatic/DSG equipped cars.
The F20 is amazingly stable going into corners hard on the brakes. Even with DSC Off, all the ABS systems are still running, and it is difficult to get the car out of balance. With trailing throttle in low gears and moderate braking during corner entry, the car will oversteer a bit, but I think you have to be very aggressive to upset the car in neutral.
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      05-12-2013, 02:57 AM   #35
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I wasn't being specific about the F20. But try any of those manouvres in a Hyundai Excel
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      05-12-2013, 03:15 AM   #36
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I wasn't being specific about the F20. But try any of those manouvres in a Hyundai Excel
I used to have a couple of BMW E30s. They were highly sensitive to what I did with the throttle. Not a good idea to enter a corner coasting in a brisk pace in one of those either.

But with an F20, it should be safe.
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      05-12-2013, 04:10 AM   #37
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On the VAG system coasting is removed if the speed increases over a certain amount or if the brake pedal is pressed.

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      05-12-2013, 04:21 AM   #38
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VAG also has an annoying feature that cancels your throttle input when you touch the brake pedal, making it impossible to use both pedals at once. That would have been very useful, particularly on the FWD cars, to balance out the understeer.

The car does not always know what is best for the driver.
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      05-12-2013, 06:09 AM   #39
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VAG also has an annoying feature that cancels your throttle input when you touch the brake pedal, making it impossible to use both pedals at once. That would have been very useful, particularly on the FWD cars, to balance out the understeer.

The car does not always know what is best for the driver.
So does Ford and Peugeot/Citroen.

In todays market mpg and CO2 levels sell cars, at least the coasting functions are active in eco modes only.

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      06-05-2013, 12:48 AM   #40
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I have just ordered a M135I which finished getting built in Germany on 21st May 2013, Does anyone know if this would have the launch control function. I havent got it yet its still on a boat
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      06-05-2013, 03:14 AM   #41
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Sorry for you dude but you won't.
July production!

I have delayed mine for 2 long month just for LC and touch idrive ..
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      06-05-2013, 05:43 AM   #42
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Not aure touch is a great idea for RHD cars unless you are naturally left handed. I imagine its going to be very distracting trying to write with your left hand.
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      06-05-2013, 05:46 AM   #43
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Not aure touch is a great idea for RHD cars unless you are naturally left handed. I imagine its going to be very distracting trying to write with your left hand.
That's a very good point.
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      06-05-2013, 06:39 AM   #44
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Wouldn't mind the launch control though even though it's extremely unlikely I would ever use it.

Checked my spec sheet using the VIN and there is definitely no specific code I could find for it.
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