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BAMxi · 09-13-2012, 09:59 PM

So this is a small Toyota Venza, then?

kidding. It could be much worse. I don't hate looking at it. My guess is that the production interior will be more like the f30's modern line interior, and will be "optionally" in the color shown, with black or darker colors being the norm. I will definitely test drive one when I'm ready to buy my next car. For fun. And then buy an m3.

Imola.ZHP · 09-13-2012, 10:49 PM

I would daily drive the fck out of that. You know, with a more "normal" interior...

Bayerische Motoren Werke · 09-13-2012, 11:03 PM

this has to be the best affair car. looks like a Citroen DS5 with some styling cues from the 3er touring.

RazBimmer · 09-13-2012, 11:27 PM

Very stylish yet purposeful car. Hope the production model would look exactly the same.

Mr.Metak2you · 09-13-2012, 11:36 PM

I think it looks great! Why do people care if it's FWD anyways? Not every BMW needs to be a 'performance' car. It's a hybrid commuter and from the looks of it, seems a lot cooler than the Prius or Insight. If these type of cars can help finance future ///M car development, the I say, Good Job BMW!

BlackJetE90 · 09-13-2012, 11:37 PM

Soon.....

BMW = German Toyota

ts61gogo · 09-14-2012, 01:22 AM

This thing does not look anything like BMW proportion-wise.
The front overhang is waaaaay to long and the wheelbase is too short.

When you look at it from the side, it seems like they had put a giant bulge of steel on two tiny wheels.
Stop that FWD thing, BMW, please!

MikeyV · 09-14-2012, 01:34 AM

Nice looking hatch, not a pretty as the new Volvo V40 but far more attractive than the Mercedes B class.

Wolf · 09-14-2012, 01:44 AM

As I posted in the other thread... Put all FWD BMW under BMWi and GTFO!

wolz · 09-14-2012, 02:02 AM

Although it looks pretty cool with the space-ship theme going on, I feel mostly sad about it anyway.

I still think bmw should not be in this segment of cars... leave it to others, bmw doing fine anyway.

fndrsn · 09-14-2012, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Metak2you

I think it looks great! Why do people care if it's FWD anyways? Not every BMW needs to be a 'performance' car. It's a hybrid commuter and from the looks of it, seems a lot cooler than the Prius or Insight. If these type of cars can help finance future ///M car development, the I say, Good Job BMW!

+1000000 I totally agree with you. It's not like one FWD BMW will ruin the rest of the lineup, which are all good cars. The S-class is still good at what it does despite the A-class and nobody seems to think less of Mercedes for it so I'm sure the same will happen here. And more on topic I think the car looks pretty damn awesome except for its weight.

TSTA · 09-14-2012, 02:26 AM

what a joke a FWD Bimmer????BMW please do not make any FWD car......it will destroy it name of being making fun drive car

Forestriver · 09-14-2012, 02:48 AM

I do not see anything bad in BMW's attempt to create a FWD compact car.
For example, besides the creating sporty and comfortable cars Alpina has another business - wine production.
It is not bad if BMW follows similar way - creating sporty cars they will have another business in the mass segment of compact cars.

But... in fact I don't like the design of this compact BMW. Volvo V40 is better- its design is much sportier, the interior is much nicer.

ovekvam · 09-14-2012, 02:56 AM

BMW will make FWD cars whether we like it or not. It will hurt the integrity of the brand, since BMW has been doing some quite aggressive marketing against FWD in the past. They also used to say that naturally aspirated engines were superior to turbo, but they had to eat their own words. The problem is that many of the enthusiastic customers still keep BMWs old values. Losing enthusiasts will probably not affect the bottom line much, but it will change the brand. It will be more like Ford, VW and Toyota, and less of a dream car without the support of the enthusiasts that worship the brand and preaches its superiority to the masses.

GregD · 09-14-2012, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by zumjosh

Hmmm... It seems BMW is now marketing to soccer moms. I'm sorry, but I'm not too thrilled about this design.

Most guys from this forum only judge from a point of view of US market. But this kind of verhicle will sell very good in Europe. This is not a car intended for the US market, but perfect for Europe. I would buy one in an instant, perfect for the wife and driving the kids around.

Matski · 09-14-2012, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ekelly

I can't say I agree or like the board's decision to make "give the green light" such a product nor can I see the market for it but I am sure someone can convince me otherwise.

All the same, if this means that revenue generated from this model and others goes toward making a new 1 M Coupe CSL or new M3 CSL I'm all for it.

AAAAAND, the actual chances of that happening; slim to none which is why this makes me sad.

Mercedes sells approx 200,000 units of A- and B- Class per year. That's the market for it!

Diver · 09-14-2012, 05:01 AM

100 mpg.. wow.

F555 · 09-14-2012, 05:45 AM

i like it

kooper · 09-14-2012, 05:56 AM

Not liking it at all. It looks very similar to the Opel minivan and B Class mentioned elsewhere and it is a FWD BMW.
Not that it matters though. This line of BMW I think isn't meant to appeal to the traditional BMW customer, but the type of customer that wants an econobox with a BMW badge on it. In that sense, it should sell well.

The only thing I'm hoping for is that this model's main reason for existence is to make money and keep BMW independent, and not as a dipping a toe into the "will people really care if we go more FWD?" water.
Most people probably don't care about FWD, RWD, AWD, straight 6 or V6, weight distribution and all the rest of it.
But please, please, PLEASE BMW, those of us who do care about those things know that things like RWD, the inline 6 engines, the sweet sound of the exhausts, the driving dynamics etc. are what usually make BMWs so great.

Do not forget about us. Pretty please.

cncmastr · 09-14-2012, 06:54 AM

Chrome wheels do not belong on any BMW.

Also, "Are you gonna go my way?"

mapezzul · 09-14-2012, 07:41 AM

The whole reason BMW went this route is bc people didn't even know/care that they were building the E8X 1 Series as RWD. More than 80% thought it was FWD. Those same people bitched that the interior was too small, and there were packaging issues compared to the competition.

This is the fastest growing segment as people opt for smaller premium cars than larger ones. Europe is a financial mess, the US is still recovery and this makes sense on so many levels.

BMW can make a small FWD sporty- it has been for a decade with the MINI and last time I checked no one said the MINI wasn't sporty or fun- yet it remains FWD.

RWD is better for race tracks and true performance cars but BMWs are light years from that now, and even then. They had great driving cars with marketing and that is no different here.

I'd take this any day as a fun. premium car for day to day commutes- compare this to every other hatch out there and it is easily already the best looking and most driver oriented from a non performance perspective.

Sign me up for one of these hybrids, with fuel hitting $9 a gallon here in Europe this is BMW's first hybrid that makes any sense from a fuel savings standpoint.

cs4444 · 09-14-2012, 07:44 AM

I like it, and it gets close to 100mpg!! This would be a perfect DD.

09-13-2012, 09:59 PM	#23
BAMxi First Lieutenant Drives: E90 328xi Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 374 iTrader: (3) Garage List 2007 328xi [5.00]	So this is a small Toyota Venza, then? kidding. It could be much worse. I don't hate looking at it. My guess is that the production interior will be more like the f30's modern line interior, and will be "optionally" in the color shown, with black or darker colors being the norm. I will definitely test drive one when I'm ready to buy my next car. For fun. And then buy an m3. __________________ Eibach Pro Kit \| 19" Avant Garde M341 \| BMS PBX

09-13-2012, 10:49 PM	#24
Imola.ZHP 100% PAID FOR! Drives: 2003 BMW 330i ZHP Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mud Island, TN Posts: 1,788 iTrader: (0)	I would daily drive the fck out of that. You know, with a more "normal" interior... __________________ -- '03 330i ZHP -- Marcus

09-13-2012, 11:03 PM	#25
Bayerische Motoren Werke Private Drives: E87 116i and Future F30 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ankara-Turkey Posts: 94 iTrader: (0)	this has to be the best affair car. looks like a Citroen DS5 with some styling cues from the 3er touring. __________________ 2011 BMW E87 116i Alpine White 2008 BMW M3 LeMans Blue(Sold in US) 2006 BMW 330i Monaco Blue(Sold)

09-13-2012, 11:36 PM	#27
Mr.Metak2you Brigadier General Drives: LEXUS LS(DailyDriver) Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Astral Projecting: ∞ 23.516 -122 02.625 0242.101 ĕv'rē-hwâr' Posts: 4,380 iTrader: (11) Garage List 2013 BMW M3 [0.00] 2011 1M Coupe (Sold) [4.30] 2008 E90 M3 (Sold) [4.30] 2007 Z4 Mcpe (Sold) [5.00] 2005 BMW M3 (Sold) [5.00]	I think it looks great! Why do people care if it's FWD anyways? Not every BMW needs to be a 'performance' car. It's a hybrid commuter and from the looks of it, seems a lot cooler than the Prius or Insight. If these type of cars can help finance future ///M car development, the I say, Good Job BMW! __________________

09-14-2012, 01:34 AM	#30
MikeyV Lieutenant Drives: Volvo V70, MINI Cooper Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Norway Posts: 580 iTrader: (0)	Nice looking hatch, not a pretty as the new Volvo V40 but far more attractive than the Mercedes B class. Last edited by MikeyV; 09-14-2012 at 03:43 PM.

09-13-2012, 11:27 PM	#26
RazBimmer Enlisted Member Drives: 335i, 650i Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: UAE Posts: 40 iTrader: (0)	Very stylish yet purposeful car. Hope the production model would look exactly the same.

09-13-2012, 11:37 PM	#28
BlackJetE90 Major Drives: E90 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: e90 Posts: 1,414 iTrader: (0)	Soon..... BMW = German Toyota

09-14-2012, 01:22 AM	#29
ts61gogo Private Drives: Does not exist yet Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Frankfurt Posts: 87 iTrader: (0)	This thing does not look anything like BMW proportion-wise. The front overhang is waaaaay to long and the wheelbase is too short. When you look at it from the side, it seems like they had put a giant bulge of steel on two tiny wheels. Stop that FWD thing, BMW, please!

09-14-2012, 02:02 AM	#32
wolz Second Lieutenant Drives: bmw F20 120d Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: sweden Posts: 209 iTrader: (0)	Although it looks pretty cool with the space-ship theme going on, I feel mostly sad about it anyway. I still think bmw should not be in this segment of cars... leave it to others, bmw doing fine anyway.

09-14-2012, 02:26 AM	#34
TSTA Registered Drives: 5 series Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: hong kong Posts: 3 iTrader: (0)	what a joke a FWD Bimmer????BMW please do not make any FWD car......it will destroy it name of being making fun drive car

09-14-2012, 02:48 AM	#35
Forestriver New Member Drives: Ford Focus II Join Date: May 2011 Location: Ukraine Posts: 12 iTrader: (0)	I do not see anything bad in BMW's attempt to create a FWD compact car. For example, besides the creating sporty and comfortable cars Alpina has another business - wine production. It is not bad if BMW follows similar way - creating sporty cars they will have another business in the mass segment of compact cars. But... in fact I don't like the design of this compact BMW. Volvo V40 is better- its design is much sportier, the interior is much nicer.

09-14-2012, 02:56 AM	#36
ovekvam Major Drives: F20 116i M-Sport Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bryne, Norway Posts: 1,143 iTrader: (0)	BMW will make FWD cars whether we like it or not. It will hurt the integrity of the brand, since BMW has been doing some quite aggressive marketing against FWD in the past. They also used to say that naturally aspirated engines were superior to turbo, but they had to eat their own words. The problem is that many of the enthusiastic customers still keep BMWs old values. Losing enthusiasts will probably not affect the bottom line much, but it will change the brand. It will be more like Ford, VW and Toyota, and less of a dream car without the support of the enthusiasts that worship the brand and preaches its superiority to the masses. Last edited by ovekvam; 09-14-2012 at 03:31 AM.

09-14-2012, 05:01 AM	#39
Diver Colonel Drives: Black '12 135i DCT PPK Msport Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 2,030 iTrader: (0)	100 mpg.. wow. __________________ See my photography at http://ronscubadiver.wordpress.com

09-14-2012, 05:45 AM	#40
F555 Lieutenant Drives: F30 - 335i Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Indonesia Posts: 449 iTrader: (0)	i like it

09-14-2012, 05:56 AM	#41
kooper Private Drives: E36 M3 (I wish) Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Somewhere Posts: 77 iTrader: (0)	Not liking it at all. It looks very similar to the Opel minivan and B Class mentioned elsewhere and it is a FWD BMW. Not that it matters though. This line of BMW I think isn't meant to appeal to the traditional BMW customer, but the type of customer that wants an econobox with a BMW badge on it. In that sense, it should sell well. The only thing I'm hoping for is that this model's main reason for existence is to make money and keep BMW independent, and not as a dipping a toe into the "will people really care if we go more FWD?" water. Most people probably don't care about FWD, RWD, AWD, straight 6 or V6, weight distribution and all the rest of it. But please, please, PLEASE BMW, those of us who do care about those things know that things like RWD, the inline 6 engines, the sweet sound of the exhausts, the driving dynamics etc. are what usually make BMWs so great. Do not forget about us. Pretty please.

09-14-2012, 06:54 AM	#42
cncmastr Lieutenant Drives: E30 318is, E46 M3 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Toms River, NJ Posts: 529 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2005 BMW 330Ci [0.00] 2007 M Coupe [0.00] 2004 BMW 330Ci [0.00]	Chrome wheels do not belong on any BMW. Also, "Are you gonna go my way?" __________________ 2006 Interlagos Blue BMW ///M3 \| ZCP \| Xenon \| Nav \| Premium \| M Texture Alcantara

09-14-2012, 07:41 AM	#43
mapezzul Special Agent Drives: Depends on the day! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bavaria Posts: 1,728 iTrader: (1)	The whole reason BMW went this route is bc people didn't even know/care that they were building the E8X 1 Series as RWD. More than 80% thought it was FWD. Those same people bitched that the interior was too small, and there were packaging issues compared to the competition. This is the fastest growing segment as people opt for smaller premium cars than larger ones. Europe is a financial mess, the US is still recovery and this makes sense on so many levels. BMW can make a small FWD sporty- it has been for a decade with the MINI and last time I checked no one said the MINI wasn't sporty or fun- yet it remains FWD. RWD is better for race tracks and true performance cars but BMWs are light years from that now, and even then. They had great driving cars with marketing and that is no different here. I'd take this any day as a fun. premium car for day to day commutes- compare this to every other hatch out there and it is easily already the best looking and most driver oriented from a non performance perspective. Sign me up for one of these hybrids, with fuel hitting $9 a gallon here in Europe this is BMW's first hybrid that makes any sense from a fuel savings standpoint.

09-14-2012, 07:44 AM	#44
cs4444 Private Drives: BMW Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 81 iTrader: (0)	I like it, and it gets close to 100mpg!! This would be a perfect DD.

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