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      09-15-2012, 02:07 PM   #23
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Well, it seems that this issue affects not only the F20, maybe all BMW production. I hope that some officials from BMW reads this forum. Here is my opinion:

As everyone knows, the quality of a car is directly related to the quality of its parts provided by other companies. When one buys a BMW, one supposes that these part are from premium quality. That is why he accepts to pay more than 30 thousands euros.

I will try to resume the main issues found on the F20:

1- Rear shockabsorbers rattling (I did not face this problem):
Reason: Badly designed parts made in Poland
2- Air conditioning malfunction
Reason: (may be ?) Compressor are not of Japanese made by Denso...I am not concerned, I have the Denso compressor.
3-Rust appearing on seat and maybe more.
Reason: (may be) BMW buys cheaper steel from eastern europe countries. I don't think that the german #1 steel producer (Thyssen) makes such basic mistakes. Don't forget that ten years before, russian companies did not knew what is a galvanized steel.

Of course, this is only my opinion but for me it is quite obvious that BMW is trying to lower as much as possible the car cost, saving 10 euros here and 5 euros there. This is really a very very bad policy for a premium car maker.

This is the first time I bought a BMW. Maybe it will be the last. Of course BMW has very Brilliant engines but the other components must be also of very high quality.

Before owning a BMW, I have always bought japanese cars made in Japan (not in the UK or Turkey), Mainly from Mazda and Toyota. I never have had any problem with these car, always 100% reliable, even at very large mileage.

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Agree... I think cars just donīt last as before, even the premium. For e.g about producing cost, Audi with the new MQB platform, it will be cheaper to produce but i think the price will stay the same for the consumer.

Concerning the rust, hope BMW fix and do a recall asap. Probably a part from a different/cheaper supplier
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      09-16-2012, 02:29 AM   #24
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Not very good

I had a check on my F30 bought in July and yep, both seat bases have rust marks. New F20 arrives next week and I guess that will have the same problem. No news from BMW HQ yet?
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      09-16-2012, 11:42 PM   #25
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Same here on my Feb 2012 build 118i. Extensive rust on both seat bases.

Cape Town's winter is quite humid, but this is not great to see...
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      09-17-2012, 12:54 AM   #26
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Well I think it's clear to see that this is not a localised humidity problem and is more likely a supply chain problem.

BMW have obviously had a contaminated supply and this needs to be addressed, I wonder how long it'll be before they claim responsibly and do something about it?
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      09-17-2012, 01:50 AM   #27
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Checked mine, got the rust under both seats aswell. Not much but it's still there. And we all know about rust, doesn't matter if it's just a tiny bit right now... it will spread.

Mine is a late 2011 build... seems like this issue is present no matter what build-date?!
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      09-17-2012, 02:22 AM   #28
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Well, it seems that this issue affects not only the F20, maybe all BMW production. I hope that some officials from BMW reads this forum. Here is my opinion:

As everyone knows, the quality of a car is directly related to the quality of its parts provided by other companies. When one buys a BMW, one supposes that these part are from premium quality. That is why he accepts to pay more than 30 thousands euros.

I will try to resume the main issues found on the F20:

1- Rear shockabsorbers rattling (I did not face this problem):
Reason: Badly designed parts made in Poland
2- Air conditioning malfunction
Reason: (may be ?) Compressor are not of Japanese made by Denso...I am not concerned, I have the Denso compressor.
3-Rust appearing on seat and maybe more.
Reason: (may be) BMW buys cheaper steel from eastern europe countries. I don't think that the german #1 steel producer (Thyssen) makes such basic mistakes. Don't forget that ten years before, russian companies did not knew what is a galvanized steel.

Of course, this is only my opinion but for me it is quite obvious that BMW is trying to lower as much as possible the car cost, saving 10 euros here and 5 euros there. This is really a very very bad policy for a premium car maker.

This is the first time I bought a BMW. Maybe it will be the last. Of course BMW has very Brilliant engines but the other components must be also of very high quality.

Before owning a BMW, I have always bought japanese cars made in Japan (not in the UK or Turkey), Mainly from Mazda and Toyota. I never have had any problem with these car, always 100% reliable, even at very large mileage.

Best regards

sl91
very well said, totally agree. That's a proper list of main-issues but there are even more flaws to put on that list.

There ain't no shortcuts to quality. BMW will loose alot of customers going down this path. People are not stupid, obviously cutting some euros here and there by buying crap-parts from un-reliable suppliers shows. In the end they bite themselves in their own ass and will have a significant cost in replacing alot of parts on alot of cars, but the financial ppl didn't see that coming... as always.

One of the main-reasons that people are willing to spend that extra 5-10 thousand on a bmw compared to an equivalent car of another brand is that they could see they actually got something more for their money.... they got quality.

BMW might still sell thanks to beeing a strong brand in terms of beeing a high status manufacturer. But the status goes along with the quality, and I'm not sure that releasing FWD Opel safiras MPVs does wonders to the status of the brand either. Especially for a company mocking FWD for decades and profiling themselves as a all-about-(RDW)driving-pleasure-great-performance-premium-machines.
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      09-17-2012, 06:59 AM   #29
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Mine has been at the dealers this morning for the air con fix (120d auto m sport), both seat bases rusty, examined them and said they will have to wait and see what BMW say about it. They stated that all are the same?? Not good for a car thats nearly three months old!
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      09-17-2012, 07:14 AM   #30
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My 125i arrives in a few weeks time, I will have a look at it whilst it is being delivered at the dealers. Let you know if it is effected.
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      09-17-2012, 07:33 AM   #31
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The Hong Kong BMW dealer informed customers to bring their F20/30 to service center for photo taking of the rusty seat frame, they will then report it to BMW AG to claim for a replacement part. When the new part arrived, they will replace it free of charge.
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      09-17-2012, 02:49 PM   #32
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The Hong Kong BMW dealer informed customers to bring their F20/30 to service center for photo taking of the rusty seat frame, they will then report it to BMW AG to claim for a replacement part. When the new part arrived, they will replace it free of charge.
Sounds promising, let us know how you get on
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      09-20-2012, 01:33 AM   #33
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Well, I checked my 2012 118i last night and EXACTLY the same problem...........sent mail and pics to BMW for comment.
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      09-20-2012, 01:55 AM   #34
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Just checked mine; July '12 M-Sport - Same issue although it looks less severe than some of the other examples in this thread. Also have a noise from A/C so am going to pop by the dealers today and moan at them...
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      09-20-2012, 02:22 AM   #35
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Rust under both seats on mine as well......

F20 118dA manufactured 21 feb 2012
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      09-20-2012, 07:28 AM   #36
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My F30 is going in to get the seat bases replaced under warranty. Dealer was unaware of the issue on F20 and F30 and no bulletin has been sent but the dealership said that BMW HQ were aware of an issue.
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      09-21-2012, 07:18 AM   #37
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Hi

Response from my Dealer.....................

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I have seen this on various models, to a lesser degree some bases show no signs of rust others have small specs or spots .

The seat base on some of our models have a protective wax coating over the raw metal to restrict the possibility of rust.

There are several different handling and manufacturing processes of the seat as well as the vehicle which could lead to the wax either being rubbed off or the possibility of the base standing in a moist environment.

The rest of the vehicle body has an electrolysis coating which is applied to the metal before the vehicle is painted. The rust is most likely only found on the underpart of the seat.

As this is a component inside the vehicle and not exposed to moisture the risk of rust is very low.

AS I have not inspected your vehicle I cannot comment on its condition but from my experience it is normally superficial surface rust and will not degenerate further.

I would recommend we replace the seat base however the rust could also be wipped clean and a new layer of wax could be applied. I do not believe that there is any other area which is affected as this is the only place that does not have E-coat over it.
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      09-22-2012, 11:01 AM   #38
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I have the same problem with my 116d EDE. I live in Belgium.
I read somewhere it's not only the seat plate! Somebody has taken out the middle vents and behind those vents, also rust on the welding of the dashboard frame! I did not check this on my car, but it's a real shame!
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      09-22-2012, 01:04 PM   #39
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Here I go.
Something tells me that as winter gets closer more rust will come up. After all, it's been a 100% dry summer, but some rusty spots are already visible...











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      09-26-2012, 03:14 AM   #40
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i have same problem with my 1.16 And ım talkıng wıth other f20 owners ın turkey also they have same problem. Huge problem ıt's very bad advertisement while new series a class and audi a3 become
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      09-26-2012, 07:15 AM   #41
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Mine has some rust on the seat base; this is (at the moment) marginal & purely cosmetic - nothing structural, but as it affects lots of vehicles, and is well known by BMW I wanted to note it early with my dealer just in case it develops into something serious that needs to become a warranty issue.
It's been duly noted.
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      09-26-2012, 10:30 PM   #42
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Same here in Peru
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      09-27-2012, 03:30 AM   #43
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I just checked my car yesterday and it is OK for the moment. No rust at all. Maybe the fact that I live in Greece, where we have low humidity and quite hot weather helps the situation. The car is a 116i, built in November 2011 and delivered in December 2011.
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      09-28-2012, 09:11 PM   #44
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I have mine 118M built May this year also got rust there. Looking to call BMW HK to fix next month....
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