[Carto4]

I think xDrive means pretty good news for many of us who live in places with cold/special climates, and have been waiting for the all wheel system traction in the 1-series for quite a long time.

Just want to create a post to gather all info related to this extra, that as far as I'm concerned, will be abailable by the end of this year (October-November), wright? [Does this means that we'll soon be allowed to order the xdrive option and receive it on october, or that we have to wait until then to have the option to order it?]

For the moment it'll only be an extra for the M135i and the 120d (we don't know if it's going to expand to the other engines).

Considering some information found on this forum, the "famous" auto-box won't be an option for the 120xd (damn...), but for M135 yes.

Information related to extra: price, weight, consumption is not official yet (or is it?).

Thanks everyone 4 your help!

PD: Just for curiosity, models won't have the X in the model name like they had till now when they had the xdrive. It seems that they are gona be called 120d xDrive instead of 120xd (picture from the BMW site)

[Carto4]

I thought some other people were interested in the xDrive.

[ovekvam]

I live in Norway, and like spending weekend driving on tracks made on frozen lakes, but I prefer RWD. With good tires, traction is usually not a problem.

[Jessen]

Ovekvam do you have spiky or non-spiky tires for your F20? What brand? I have to buy some winter tyres for my F20 as the winter approaches, but dont know what to get. Any advice?

Would love x-drive, but due to the extra cost and the lack of availability when i bought mine in May i opted for RWD instead.

[ovekvam]

I haven't bought winter tires yet, since I bought the F20 this summer. I am planning to buy studless Michelin X-Ice 3. That the the new model from Michelin this season. I ran X-Ice 2 previous winter, and was happy with them. Among the premium winter tires made for Nordic climate, the Michelins are the ones that work best on bare roads. Some of the other types are too soft for the BMW handling and DSC/DTC.

[slime.snake]

Theres some informaniton about xdrive in a 1 series on czech BMW website.
http://www.bmw.cz/cz/cs/newvehicles/...ata/index.html

[bimmer man]

Originally Posted by Jessen

Ovekvam do you have spiky or non-spiky tires for your F20? What brand? I have to buy some winter tyres for my F20 as the winter approaches, but dont know what to get. Any advice?

Would love x-drive, but due to the extra cost and the lack of availability when i bought mine in May i opted for RWD instead.

I have Nokian Hakka R, and they are absolutely terrific at f 20

[wolz]

Originally Posted by bimmer man

I have Nokian Hakka R, and they are absolutely terrific at f 20

I got nokia hakka r aswell but I have the issue on bare roads. Did the issue dissapear for you bimmerman?

If only I knew that michelin x-ice doesn't have the issue as ovekvam says I would have went for those....

I still haven't got over the huge dissapointment about this epic fail from bmw

bmw did extensive winter-testing and were happy about how the DSC/DTC worked on snow and ice, but nobody from the team thought it would be a good idea to check wether it works on bare/dry roads?!

I don't know anything about the process of setting up a DSC/DTC system but I imagine this issues could be cured with just a minor adjustment/calibration so that the system allow for a tiny, tiny, tiny bit of "wheelspin" (just enough to let the rubber flex without it beeing recognized as a wheelspin/lost grip when it's not the case).

bmw trying to have us northern winter-climate-drivers killed?! that's not very nice of them ;p

[ovekvam]

Seems like BMW set the DSC/DTC up for the continental type of winter tires (stable high speed Autobahn) instead of our Nordic (soft and grippy) type. They could have included an option in the iDrive for winter tire type to fix this. It is only software.

[Carto4]

Originally Posted by ovekvam

Seems like BMW set the DSC/DTC up for the continental type of winter tires (stable high speed Autobahn) instead of our Nordic (soft and grippy) type. They could have included an option in the iDrive for winter tire type to fix this. It is only software.

That would be great, like a terrain response system.

Heard pretty good things about some tires: Continental Winter Contact, anybody tried?

Thanks slime.snake for the link. As I can see here, the info provided: 120d vs 120xd
Consumption: + 0,2l/100km
Weight: +80kg
Max Speed: same.

Thanks everyone.

[ovekvam]

I had a set of Winter Contact, and for Norwegian conditions they were useless. They felt almost like summer tires. Continental Viking Contact 3 is a pretty good tire, but slightly too soft for the driving aids.

[bimmer man]

Originally Posted by wolz

I got nokia hakka r aswell but I have the issue on bare roads. Did the issue dissapear for you bimmerman?

If only I knew that michelin x-ice doesn't have the issue as ovekvam says I would have went for those....

I still haven't got over the huge dissapointment about this epic fail from bmw

bmw did extensive winter-testing and were happy about how the DSC/DTC worked on snow and ice, but nobody from the team thought it would be a good idea to check wether it works on bare/dry roads?!

I don't know anything about the process of setting up a DSC/DTC system but I imagine this issues could be cured with just a minor adjustment/calibration so that the system allow for a tiny, tiny, tiny bit of "wheelspin" (just enough to let the rubber flex without it beeing recognized as a wheelspin/lost grip when it's not the case).

bmw trying to have us northern winter-climate-drivers killed?! that's not very nice of them ;p

Had problems with flashing traction control light on the tarmac when the tires were brand new. This went over after the tires were run, and became harder rubber. Completely new Scandinavian tires are very soft rubber mixture and can trick traction control system which causes the engine reduces throttle. But that said this went over after the tires were run for a while and was harder. Can been the problem on your car is worse because you have much stronger engine. Wondering replacing 116d to 120d xDrive-this winter if I get a good offer.: Thumbsup:

[Carto4]

How much extra money can the x-drive cost? Around 1.500-2.000€?

[bimmer man]

Originally Posted by Carto4

How much extra money can the x-drive cost? Around 1.500-2.000€?

120d has a price of 28 500 euros in Germany and 120d x-drive 30 500 eur.
In Norway xDrive costs around 40 000 NOK.

[Carto4]

Originally Posted by bimmer man

120d has a price of 28 500 euros in Germany and 120d x-drive 30 500 eur.
In Norway xDrive costs around 40 000 NOK.

What I thought! Thanks ,)

[wolz]

Originally Posted by bimmer man

Had problems with flashing traction control light on the tarmac when the tires were brand new. This went over after the tires were run, and became harder rubber. Completely new Scandinavian tires are very soft rubber mixture and can trick traction control system which causes the engine reduces throttle. But that said this went over after the tires were run for a while and was harder. Can been the problem on your car is worse because you have much stronger engine. Wondering replacing 116d to 120d xDrive-this winter if I get a good offer.: Thumbsup:

I really hope it gets better, had them on for about 2 months, didn't see any improvment really good point it might be worse on more powerful engines.
maybe the xdrive doesn't have the issue. Sounds like a nice upgrade if you would change the 116d for a 120d xdrive anyways

[bimmer man]

Originally Posted by wolz

I really hope it gets better, had them on for about 2 months, didn't see any improvment really good point it might be worse on more powerful engines.
maybe the xdrive doesn't have the issue. Sounds like a nice upgrade if you would change the 116d for a 120d xdrive anyways

Hi I also have Nokian Hakka R on my 535d xDrive and this has not been any indication of the problem with traction control lights and the engine dies. X-drive is great for Nordic winter roads.

[Carto4]

The 3 door version has appeared in the car configurator in the BMW site, but 120d isn't in the car list of the 3 door version :S

http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/ecom4/fra...tSource=topnav