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      08-03-2012, 02:08 PM   #111
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      08-03-2012, 02:46 PM   #113
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BMW watered down M, let it flow!
M1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,10
in another five years it will be M1.5 or M1.75 or go to M17 :bar f:
Anything to throw one initial on the back of the car and call it an M then jack up price 20-50k.
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      08-03-2012, 02:57 PM   #114
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make next M2 2600lb and I wont care if it's 4 cylinder Turbo!
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      08-03-2012, 03:04 PM   #115
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make next M2 2600lb and I wont care if it's 4 cylinder Turbo!


Simplify, then add lightness.

Oh, wait, that's the brits.
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      08-03-2012, 03:33 PM   #116
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I don't know that I care what car gets what engine. Ultimately, I'd probably just buy the one I like best, regardless of what they call it.

Speaking of which, with the M-ence quantity of cars that BMW seem to want to label M-this and M-that, why would anyone even care. It seems, by my reckoning at least, that "M" is more meaningful as James Bond's boss than it is as a label on a BMW car these days.
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tbh, 4 bangers suck.

not saying they don't perform, but they just sound weird
Yeah, those Group A E30 M3 4 banger engines really sucked.....and sounded weird

This sounds OK to my ears
I wish I was in the passenger seat
Great clip! He sure has that m3 by the scruff of the neck. Superb.
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BMW watered down M, let it flow!
M1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,10
in another five years it will be M1.5 or M1.75 or go to M17 :bar f:
Anything to throw one initial on the back of the car and call it an M then jack up price 20-50k.
I concur. dilution galore.
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Great clip! He sure has that m3 by the scruff of the neck. Superb.
Yes, because 300hp n/a I-4 race car will sound exactly the same as factory I-4 turbo
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      08-03-2012, 04:41 PM   #120
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Turbo and 9k redline - good luck..

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I'd be interested in a turbo 4 cylinder with a 8k-9k RPM redline.
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      08-03-2012, 05:39 PM   #121
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First off, love how SCOTT26 (aka BMW ///M marketing) has been so cleverly placed into the forums, giving only a little information in the beginning to make everyone revere him as an inside source, never once considering he or she is a member of the BMW marketing team and everyone one of his/her posts are tailored to push things in a single direction....brainwashing one step at a time.

Ok, back on topic: the N20 in the 328i makes the new F30 328i feel more like a e30 or e46 (sorry, did not like the e36 much) than anyone gives it credit for, especially the engine. The F30 feels smaller and more like a go kart then the e9x yet offers more room----really a great car and I truly think the engine is a big part of it. That N20 is a GREAT engine. I really think you guys will love it, even the sound, once the ///M division gets its mits on it......trust me, its like no four-banger you have EVER driven----and that is just the series production version. If you have not driven the 328i, go jump in one. The 335i feels overpowered and clumsy in comparison. But that is just one man's opinion.

I understand the skepticism, nothing wrong with it, just really believe many of you 1-series lovers will REALLY love the engine and handling characteristics such a light engine brings once ///M is done with her.

We shall see....

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      08-03-2012, 05:49 PM   #122
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First off, love how SCOTT26 (aka BMW ///M marketing) has been so cleverly placed into the forums, giving only a little information in the beginning to make everyone revere him as an inside source, never once considering he or she is a member of the BMW marketing team and everyone one of his/her posts are tailored to push things in a single direction....brainwashing one step at a time.

Ok, back on topic: the N20 in the 328i makes the new F30 328i feel more like a e30 or e46 (sorry, did not like the e36 much) than anyone gives it credit for, especially the engine. The F30 feels smaller and more like a go kart then the e9x yet offers more room----really a great car and I truly think the engine is a big part of it. That N20 is a GREAT engine. I really think you guys will love it, even the sound, once the ///M division gets its mits on it......trust me, its like no four-banger you have EVER driven----and that is just the series production version. If you have not driven the 328i, go jump in one. The 335i feels overpowered and clumsy in comparison. But that is just one man's opinion.

By I understand the skepticism, nothing wrong with it, just really believe many of you 1-series lovers will REALLY love the engine and handling characteristics such a light engine brings once ///M is done with her.

We shall see....

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I'm from the f30 side of this forum and yes after selling my evo and telling myself that i am not gonna get another 4pot turbo i ended up getting one. I went in telling myself 335i or bust but I took a test drive of the 328i and was actually pretty impressed. I can only imagine an M derivation of one. I was browsing around and ended up here after looking at the post about the m2. I saw the new 1series and thought that'll never compete with the current 1m which is an awesome car - now when my lease is up I may get myself into a 2//M or M2 or whatever its gonna be called.
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      08-03-2012, 06:27 PM   #123
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damn advevo got some skills!
and everyone seems to complain about all the speculations about the next MY car. went till it comes out drive it then voice comments. i dont know if there are many ppl that can drive like advevo and i really haven't read anything he's said negative about the next gen. correct me if im wrong please.
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      08-03-2012, 06:41 PM   #124
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Coming from the current M3, I am looking forward to seeing what //M cooks up for the M2. Whatever engine it is, it will be better than than the current M coupe, and just short of the F80 M3. I don't really care what tools they get to assemble that toolbox, so long as they do.

As for those that complain about brand dilution. Guess what, most people that are not a fan of your brand could give two shits what you drive. To them, a BMW is a BMW. Period.
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      08-03-2012, 06:45 PM   #125
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A 4 cylinder engine was good enough for the E30 M3.

I have confidence in BMW's ability to make a small performance car with an I4. Technology is better today than it was decades ago, so that should be able to offset the added weight of modern cars.
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      08-03-2012, 08:27 PM   #126
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Why would BMW put an I4 in an m car m2 then put a twin scroll i6 in a car in the same class? 235i?
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      08-03-2012, 08:57 PM   #127
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There definitely is a market for powerful nimble small cars. There are also fuel efficiency rules in the US that penalize small cars with powerful engines. Smaller cars must achieve better fuel efficiency than larger cars. I would not be surprised if there is no I6 powered two series, except possibly in the early years.
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Bye bye BMW

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BMW insider Scott26 has recently mentioned that the 1M coupe's replacement - the M2 will be powered by a turbo four cylinder (N20 based engine) and that it may have less power than the 1M currently has. Why a turbo four? Presumably, because the new M3/M4 will be powered by a twin or tri turbo reworked N55 engine (or its successor). So it wouldn't come as a surprise that the M2 (1M successor) will be powered by a turbo four.

I wonder then, what will become of the M135i F20? Perhaps this model will go away once the M2 is released for sale on the market. Surely, BMW would not sell a 320 HP six cylinder M135i alongside an M2 powered by a four cylinder with not much more power.

This really is not new news. Scott reported this down sizing thinking before the 1M was even released for sale (see previous report). This is just the first time since then it has been mentioned again.

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...Although work has commenced on the "Downsized" M, The M2 or the replacement for the most admired 1er M Coupe.

It is known as the "Downsized" M because BMW M are investigating the concept of a completely reworked N20 based four cylinder in terms of the successor to the 1M offering the same recipe as before but with lower weight but still offering the entry to M ownership with the key of precision rather than outright power.
If it happens I will keep my 2002 M3 with NO turbo and much more fun to drive than any new M3 or 1M and instead of a M2 for my wife, I'll by a Fiat 500... Its easier to park in the supermarket and spare parts are cheaper.

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Turbo and 9k redline - good luck..

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I'd be interested in a turbo 4 cylinder with a 8k-9k RPM redline.
Turbo 9K redline??? Yes, if you own an auto mechanic repair, this is the car... It won't last 30K miles...
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BMW watered down M, let it flow!
M1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,10
in another five years it will be M1.5 or M1.75 or go to M17 :bar f:
Anything to throw one initial on the back of the car and call it an M then jack up price 20-50k.
FULLY AGREE WITH YOU!!! Let's wait for the BMW M0,5... Take a look to Porsche "downsize"... If you're driving a new BMW probably you are behind the Porsche...
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Bye bye BMW

Last M BMW are the E46 M3.

What's BMW doing??? To go to the market fast I would by a Fiat 500... At least spare parts are cheaper....

And to those who drives a BMW just because it's "status", well, by a Mercedes...

Porsche "downsize" is what sport car means: less weigh, more power.

4 cylinder turbo??? It will be a BMW or a Subaru???
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      08-03-2012, 11:41 PM   #132
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sounds like you can pry my FBO 135 out of my cold dead hands
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