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      05-14-2012, 02:59 PM   #23
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how is a 0-60 time of 4.9 seconds "class topping" when the Audi RS3 does it in about 4 seconds with DSG.

Another fail for BMW.
Actually the 4.9 Seconds stand for 0-100km/h not for 0-60mph, and also the M Coupe does the 0-100km/h in the same time, so taking what you sail its also a fail
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i have driven and owned both, n55 has less lag than n54 and n55 is actually a more technologically advanced engine. there is a quicker spool up intake that you get with a twin-scroll system, even though it is only "one" turbo. n55 is actually a "smoother" engine.

But the N54 has easier tuning options especially for max power output.
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The rumor is that the next M3 is going to have a modified version of the N55 so it can worst! Also i have had both engines and believe me the N55 has less lag and its faster than the N54 in Stock conditions, not even to mention a 135i N55 DCT with PPK Stage 2 its faster than a M Coupe in straights. I also have had confirmation from different countrys BMW Techs that the N55 is a better engine
Well, if BMW techs told you so, what do we know then!

As a starter, if I would listen to what they tell me my 1M would have wrong oils by now.

Maybe I am a bit skeptical when it comes to BMW service techs
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Are the tyres run flats?
I see from photos that they are Michelin Pilot Super Sports, so no rft.
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      05-14-2012, 03:14 PM   #27
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The rumor is that the next M3 is going to have a modified version of the N55 so it can worst! Also i have had both engines and believe me the N55 has less lag and its faster than the N54 in Stock conditions, not even to mention a 135i N55 DCT with PPK Stage 2 its faster than a M Coupe in straights. I also have had confirmation from different countrys BMW Techs that the N55 is a better engine
Why would it have to be stage 2? My car is not broken in yet, so I really don't know what can do with the PPK. I suspect that until 1200 miles is reached, locking out launch control is not the only thing BMW does to protect the engine against excessive flogging while it is still tight.
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"And we developed a new tyre which is used exclusively for the BMW M135i"

translates as:

"And we've developed a new really expensive tyre for BMW M135i owners, who will now paying even more of a premium to drive this awesome car"

And note the entire suspension has been tuned around this tyre. Thinking of ditching those run-flats? Should have bought a 125i!
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"It was possible to leave out the centre silencer..."

Now I know how they shaved 20 kg's off of the current weight of the 135i N55

Hatch: 1,510 kg
Coupe: 1,530 kg

Surely shaving off a boot reduces weight? Is there a 7th airbag they're not telling us about?
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Why would it have to be stage 2? My car is not broken in yet, so I really don't know what can do with the PPK. I suspect that until 1200 miles is reached, locking out launch control is not the only thing BMW does to protect the engine against excessive flogging while it is still tight.
Im telling PPK Stage 2 because it uses the same hardware as 1M (extra cooling) but PPK Stage 1 its the same in performance figures, just that when the car has been running for a long time or you have driven it hard it gets hotter than a car with PPK 2 so short story PPK 2 maintains a more stable performance even if running the car in a hard way
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Well, if BMW techs told you so, what do we know then!

As a starter, if I would listen to what they tell me my 1M would have wrong oils by now.

Maybe I am a bit skeptical when it comes to BMW service techs
Im not trying to start a fight with you, im just telling you that in stock forms even tough N55 gets lower Dynos it performs better and is faster than a N54 and also has less lag. As you can see i own a 1M Coupe which is powered by the N54 but im being honest, with that being said, in stock forms the N55 is the best engine. Now getting into what the techs told me it wasn't chilean BMW techs as we both know they don't even know what the correct fluids to put a in car, they are a mess! I was told that by BMW USA techs.
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Sorry for starting the N54 vs. N55 debate again, see it would be helpful if BMW could just conveniently post all the data so we could all know for sure.

Empirically I think its safe to say two turbos is *always* better than one, you can design for lag etc. but it is way more expensive so that is why you get it in the M5 but not in the M135i.

That said, this car sounds well matched for its level/purpose.. you can accept 1 turbo in this car, but if they went with a similar setup for the M3, I think a lot of people would not accept that.
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Car and driver compared both and found almost no difference but 0-60 slightly better on N55. This wasn't our N54 but they preferred N55. I have driven 2011 335i 6mt and with N55 and throttle response seems more immediate but the surge from 1M N54 stronger. We need to face the fact that the cars are getting faster and pretty soon the N55 will be a better motor than ours but as long as any college girl can buy an automatic
135iM it will not be as cool as the harder edged 1M IMO.
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I see from photos that they are Michelin Pilot Super Sports, so no rft.
I have these same tires on my 135i and they are absolutely incredible. As a current 135i owner, I'm pretty impressed with this M135i. The most likely candidates to replace my 135i are an M235i or a full M2 if we get one, the only disappointing thing I see is the lack of mechanical power steering but I hope the M2 will have it. The steering feel of my 135i with M3 control arms is honestly my favorite thing about my car.

Anyone bashing the N55 has probably never driven it, when I bought my car I had the option of picking up an N54 or ordering an N55 and waiting and there's a reason I chose to wait to have this engine.
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i know this seems like just an in-house tune up, but I would buy it in a heartbeat.
Question: hydraulic steering? or eps?
I guess EPS - no word otherwise
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Are the tyres run flats?
I see from photos that they are Michelin Pilot Super Sports, so no rft.
There is pilot sport ps2 run flat, so I guess new tire developed is Super Sport RFT
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and if bmw is quoting a 0-62 time of 4.9 sec, you know the car mags will get 0-60 in 4.5-4.7. pretty damn impressive.
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Actually the 4.9 Seconds stand for 0-100km/h not for 0-60mph, and also the M Coupe does the 0-100km/h in the same time, so taking what you sail its also a fail
100km/h is 62.1 mph...closer to 0-60 than you make it seem

Audi claims 0-100km/h or 0-62.1mph in 4.6.

seems like jprooney is less bad ass than he feels...
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100km/h is 62.1 mph...closer to 0-60 than you make it seem

Audi claims 0-100km/h or 0-62.1mph in 4.6.

seems like jprooney is less bad ass than he feels...
yes, but often 0-60mph is significantly quicker than 0-100kmh b/c many cars hit an extra upshift right around 60. So we'd have to look at the top gear speed to answer that question...
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100km/h is 62.1 mph...closer to 0-60 than you make it seem

Audi claims 0-100km/h or 0-62.1mph in 4.6.

seems like jprooney is less bad ass than he feels...
I wasn't trying to be a bad ass I was first clarifying him that the 4.9 figure was actually to 100km/h which isn't 60mph (it's 62mph as you correctly say), and second i was trying to get him realize that if he justs call a car to be a fail because a pure acceleration figure then the M Coupe would be an equally fail as it accelerates to 60mph or 100km/h in the same time.
You can't judge a car just for it's acceleration time
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Im not trying to start a fight with you, im just telling you that in stock forms even tough N55 gets lower Dynos it performs better and is faster than a N54 and also has less lag. As you can see i own a 1M Coupe which is powered by the N54 but im being honest, with that being said, in stock forms the N55 is the best engine. Now getting into what the techs told me it wasn't chilean BMW techs as we both know they don't even know what the correct fluids to put a in car, they are a mess! I was told that by BMW USA techs.
honest opinion. Rarely see people like you... most are in denial lol
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honest opinion. Rarely see people like you... most are in denial lol
Most people can't accept another car without the M badge can be faster in straights or other stuff.
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Most people can't accept another car without the M badge can be faster in straights or other stuff.
M cars are not about straight line speeds. In fact no good car is about straight line speed. And any car with or without a badge can be fast, well at least in that straight line which means close to nothing in real life. The question is if they can do anything else other than that on challenging roads to be called a performance car or a sports car. I don't feel like this M135i is well equipped or even tries to do that. I think it is what it is which is a (very) fast and yet comfortable and easy to handle, easy to drive hatch. This should appeal a great deal of people which BMW is targeting like Audi did with its S lines for so many years succesfully. I am not bashing the car, not at all, I am trying to see it as it is. It does not seem to be as good as it could be and that is why it is neither a follower to E82 1M nor a rival to Audi RS3 because BMW and Audi utilized their best available material to built them and for this one second best seems to be selected which I bet they did intentionally, so that flagship sports car role is still reserved for the future M2 and it will have its new competitors too. BMW is keeping its best for the last, as usual.

Even if it is a good or maybe a very good car for most situations, this M135i is clearly a half hearted attempt, more a marketing study without the passion to make it a great car. I don't know others but for me it is slightly disappointing. In fact, I am just hoping that new M3 and M2 will be crafted with a different vision. For the time being my choice among the new 1 series would still be a 125d. It would deserve the price tag much better and do the job equally good.

Not arguing with anyone, I am a fan of small BMWs since the 2002 times and my first car that I paid myself was a 318ti, so in a way I like them all but I also expect them to be better with every generation not vice versa.

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I see from photos that they are Michelin Pilot Super Sports, so no rft.
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