[Mako]

did they pay Audi for use of silver side mirrors on the M trim

I can't stand the new Nav screen locations on the 3 and 1 series, what were they thinking? I love it in our X3, built into the dash like it belongs there, not just stuck on top of everything. I am sure there are a decent amount of people that don't get Nav to save on cost but how many people buy $40K+ cars and don't get nav when most $20K cars have it now... makes the interior look cheap if you don't have it. If the screen was a pop up I would understand the placement of it, but its fixed!

[Teemo Panda]

Bull fing sht. Not available to US

[ATX78703]

i would so scoop up a 5 door M135i, would serve all my driving needs and wants for a DD. stock issue michellin PSS - how awesome. why bmw, why must u screw us like this?

On another note, the 25d engine is very interesting - any chance that makes it over here on any model?

[ATX78703]

Originally Posted by Mako

so a 335xi with 300HP is 0-60 in 4.8 seconds
but a M135 with 320HP which should weigh much less is 0-60 in 4.9 seconds

does BMW just pull these numbers out of a hat?

first of all, the weight difference is not that much at all - max 250 lbs. the f20/21 is heavier than everybody thinks.

second of all, the M135 will be available with xdrive and that will launch 0-60 in about 4.6s, gear ratios are the same. It's just a traction issue to launch that gives xdrive the advantage. At speed an RWD M135 will blow by a 335xi.

[Phil335]

I just ordered an M/// shower curtain. I figured why not since they are sticking an M on everything!

[ovekvam]

Originally Posted by Mako

I can't stand the new Nav screen locations on the 3 and 1 series, what were they thinking? I love it in our X3, built into the dash like it belongs there, not just stuck on top of everything. I am sure there are a decent amount of people that don't get Nav to save on cost but how many people buy $40K+ cars and don't get nav when most $20K cars have it now... makes the interior look cheap if you don't have it. If the screen was a pop up I would understand the placement of it, but its fixed!

The screen is even fixed in the same location even when you don't order navigation, since it used for all the other iDrive stuff. Maybe the idea is that it is easy to see without taking your eyes too far off the road.

[Superspeed]

Originally Posted by ovekvam

The screen is even fixed in the same location even when you don't order navigation, since it used for all the other iDrive stuff. Maybe the idea is that it is easy to see without taking your eyes too far off the road.

That's the whole point, and it works very well. BMW has always made well thought cockpits with perfect ergonomics (allthough not so much during the Bangle periode). The angled center console is one example.

[NELSON.MLGB]

Could BMW just change the design of this ugly headlights, just too cute...

[mattburch]

the headlights look a bit bug-eyed in my opinion but I'm liking the rest!

[in2you]

I really like the F20/21 hatch, perfect size too! I'll take mine with M-sport in VO ^^

[barcius]

Originally Posted by Dazzler

Try as I do - I still can't see past the uglyness. The e87 Msport was SO MUCH BETTER LOOKING!

Oh BMW, one major styling f$%k up in the last 8 years isn't bad!

+1 here. This thing looks like a VW Golf "in pain"looking at the front and a 5 year-old tail light design at the rear. Can't stand the fact also BMW is using ///M on everything nowadays. What a great way to dilute your brand: make a bad copy of the best selling hatch back in Europe + put your most exclusive brand on it. Now a 18 year old can park next to your M6 convertible and say he has a M car too. Fuc?ing idiots.

[ovekvam]

Originally Posted by barcius

+1 here. This thing looks like a VW Golf "in pain"looking at the front and a 5 year-old tail light design at the rear. Can't stand the fact also BMW is using ///M on everything nowadays. What a great way to dilute your brand: make a bad copy of the best selling hatch back in Europe + put your most exclusive brand on it. Now a 18 year old can park next to your M6 convertible and say he has a M car too. Fuc?ing idiots.

So you feel the M6 convertible is closer to the original ///M-spirit than the M135i? I am not so sure. When it comes to diluting the M-branding, The X5M and X6M must be the worst examples, I guess, along with the M550xd. The M used to be the Motorsport letter, but now I guess it means Marketing.

Back in the days of the E28 M5, there was also an M535i, so this is not really a new thing.

[barcius]

Originally Posted by ovekvam

So you feel the M6 convertible is closer to the original ///M-spirit than the M135i? I am not so sure. When it comes to diluting the M-branding, The X5M and X6M must be the worst examples, I guess, along with the M550xd. The M used to be the Motorsport letter, but now I guess it means Marketing.

Back in the days of the E28 M5, there was also an M535i, so this is not really a new thing.

I am not saying the M6 it is closer to the M spirit, but I used as an example of how exclusive the M models used to be. I agree with you that there were some stretch of the M over the years, but nothing like the past year or so. I personally would never buy a 5, 6, 7 or X5/X6 since does not matter how the technologically advanced they are, they do not feel nimble enough for me

[BMWDAD]

what are the transmission choices?

6mt
8 auto
DCT

?????????????

[1thomas]

For what?

F2x M135i Hatch has, as every F2x, 6 speed manual or 8-speed sport automatic gearbox. No doubleclutch available of any kind. The 4wd version comes with 8-speed sport auto by default, manual not available with xdrive.

[BMWDAD]

Originally Posted by 1thomas

For what?

F2x M135i Hatch has, as every F2x, 6 speed manual or 8-speed sport automatic gearbox. No doubleclutch available of any kind. The 4wd version comes with 8-speed sport auto by default, manual not available with xdrive.

Thanks that is the info I wanted.

Interesting no DCT.

In the usa, 135 and 135is has dct option.

[1thomas]

Yep, same here. But no more DCT in the F20. At least not for now. But the new 8-speed sport auto is quite awesome and in many tests and reviews most, or at least many testers say its at least as good and fast as VWs DCT, or even better. So I guess they just don't see a reason to put a hardcore-dct into a car thats eventually just not a proper M-car. In the old 135 the 6-speed autobox was not all bad either, but far from the new 8-speed.

[E46M54325Ci]

I would LOVE to know why BMW thinks it wouldn't be able to move a bunch of these in the US? Or is it that they don't want to kill 3 and future 2 series sales? This car is soooo cool.

[Math]

Originally Posted by E46M54325Ci

I would LOVE to know why BMW thinks it wouldn't be able to move a bunch of these in the US? Or is it that they don't want to kill 3 and future 2 series sales? This car is soooo cool.

Yes, that's a bit of a pity for you guys. But in the US you have so many wonderful cars that aren't available over here in europe! Think of all those cool muscle and pony cars! The latest Dodge challenger- Ford Mustang - Chevy Camaro! Even if you do find one here, it's near impossible to pay taxes or fuel for it..
So don't be jealous, let us have at least 1 cool car you guys don't have

[Carto4]

Originally Posted by 1thomas

For what?

The 4wd version comes with 8-speed sport auto by default, manual not available with xdrive.

Just the oposite of the 120d, only manual box available...damn

[Jpannell18]

how exact are BMW on estimated delivery times?

[Petoz]

I was originally quoted early december and it is being delivered on 3rd December. Pretty accurate in my experience.