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      01-18-2012, 10:03 AM   #45
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Love the M style front and rear bumper.
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I just LOLed at the first photo. I mean seriously.. this car has some messed up styling.
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      01-18-2012, 10:31 AM   #47
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But I still think there will be a regular 306ps 235i (coupé and cabrio), so the 320ps ///M Performance versions should be dubbed ///M240i (not ///M235i). By extension, the hatch versions (3 and 5 door) should be called ///M140i and not ///M135i.
It seems quite plausible to me that the only N55-powered F2x offerings will be the ///M*35i. I'll bet that a business case for three distinct 300hp to ~350hp vehicles in this segment would be tough to make. It's unnecessary and will just raise costs needlessly.

This naming scheme makes sense to me:

F1x M Performance = ///M*50
F3x M Performance = ///M*40
F2x M Performance = ///M*35

And for the models just below the M Performance line, we could be offered this:

F1x = *40 (535i becomes 540i at LCI, perhaps)
F3x = *35
F2x = *30 (~255hp N20 model, perhaps)
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      01-18-2012, 11:00 AM   #48
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It seems quite plausible to me that the only N55-powered F2x offerings will be the ///M*35i. I'll bet that a business case for three distinct 300hp to ~350hp vehicles in this segment would be tough to make. It's unnecessary and will just raise costs needlessly.
You are right about the power proximity that would then exist within the 2er range, but will BMW just replace the M Sport 306ps 235i with a more expensive 320ps ///M235i? If yes, then indeed the -35i suffix will be free to use on the ///M135i and ///M235i instead of the -40i.

But there would still be a confusion between the 335i and the ///M335i : the latter has more power and is more upmarket yet it sounds too much like the 335i. On top of that, the ///M3..i should get 340ps (not 320ps like the ///M1..i) in order to fight the Audi S4 and to create a power gap with the 306ps, so ///M340i makes more sense to me than ///M335i. But for the 1er/2er you are probably right.
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      01-18-2012, 11:40 AM   #49
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Looks great but for the lights. Let's just keep mentioning the lights in the hopes that they change it quickly. The lights don't match.
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      01-18-2012, 12:19 PM   #50
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looks good!
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I love these cars. How much do you think it cost to ship it over stateside? $15k?
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You are right about the power proximity that would then exist within the 2er range, but will BMW just replace the M Sport 306ps 235i with a more expensive 320ps ///M235i? If yes, then indeed the -35i suffix will be free to use on the ///M135i and ///M235i instead of the -40i.
I don't think they will "replace" anything. Instead they'll have just an M235i to begin with, never offering a 235i at all.

I couldn't say how much power it will have, exactly. Certainly somewhere in between the most powerful N20-based F2x offering and the M2. I would say the standard N55 @ ~300hp is a good bet, with the ~320hp version also being possible but less likely, in order to give the M2 more breathing room.

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But there would still be a confusion between the 335i and the ///M335i : the latter has more power and is more upmarket yet it sounds too much like the 335i. On top of that, the ///M3..i should get 340ps (not 320ps like the ///M1..i) in order to fight the Audi S4 and to create a power gap with the 306ps, so ///M340i makes more sense to me than ///M335i.
As I said, I don't think an M335i is in the cards. We'll likely get an M340i instead.

And here again, I couldn't say how much power the car might have. Somewhere between the 335i and the M3. I suppose 340hp sounds about right - just a little below where the M2 will probably fall, and very comfortably below the M3.
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IMHO, headlights look too droopy. Just like this:
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I love these cars. How much do you think it cost to ship it over stateside? $15k?
A lot more than it would cost to wrangle one in from Mexico, I'd bet.

Of course in either case, you are facing a dizzying array of legal hurdles. It's just that, in the case of Mexico, at least you don't have to pay to actually transport the car itself.
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I don't think they will "replace" anything. Instead they'll have just an M235i to begin with, never offering a 235i at all.
Yes I meant it would directly fill in the spot left by the current 135i.
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      01-18-2012, 02:07 PM   #56
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I just LOLed at the first photo. I mean seriously.. this car has some messed up styling.
Agreed. Leaves me seriously disappointed and genuinely worried as to what the next 1er/2er coupe looks like...
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      01-18-2012, 03:31 PM   #57
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      01-18-2012, 07:39 PM   #58
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this is how it had to look, but it doesnt so not a car i'd even want to buy...

p.s. sorry for being negative it's just the best handling car brand in every class becomes the least attractive in its class...
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      01-18-2012, 07:58 PM   #59
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i'm sorry but this recent 1 series is not the ugliest bmw, it's probably the ugliest automobile...
no bmw trait whatsoever besides the ackward kidney grills...and who designed that 1998 VW polo-looking taillights?
This really looks like an ugly unfinished business labeled with BMW logo....rediculous...
I agreed. The redesign of the 1 series is UNBELIEVABLE. I can see the sales will be plumet just like the MB C-Class hatch back years ago. Who came up with these design..it should stay in Europe and not imported.
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      01-18-2012, 10:12 PM   #60
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Wow... the "M135i"... the best of no worlds. Oh... and also hideous.
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It looks better....but what's with the black mirrors? They don't flow with the design, are not body colored and they look "square".. kinda like my E30's stock mirrors (I ditched those fugly things or some BMW Gruppe A mirrors)

The headlights look a lil better but the grille looks odd on there...I'm hoping the coupe and convertible looks a lil better than this. Veryyyy curious to see how they can make this and make it look good as a convertible...BMW has Work to do! Not terrible the F21, but not "sought after". I think I dreamed about my E88 arriving every single day as I was waiting for it's arrival in the USA.
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I know the styling is controversial (ugly) to some. I like the over all styling, especially like the M-style front and rear bumpers.
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Great news, I like this!
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I love an ugly and aggressive design. But this is....erm. Oh god! This is simply ugly.
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Do not like. (at all). I sure hope that the M2 doesn't look like this...........
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M kit seems to make the car more ungainly. 3dr shape is rather more promising.
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