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      06-08-2011, 11:41 AM   #45
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Thank god for that not ewrybody dont like it..then it will be more spesial.just wait and see what the tuners can do to this car.i will buy it soon in red..and keep it straitgood work BMW
hahaha mee too. ... ill take the 120d...
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      06-08-2011, 11:50 AM   #46
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Huh?

Scott you are really towing the company line here, bless your heart. Over 20 out of 30 of your recent posts in the last week have been defending the new 1er.

Im trying to like it, really I am. Since the current 1seriesMCoupe is impossible to obtain, I had high hopes on this new 1er (and new 1M?). Based on this design, forget it.

That bulbous nose....not good.


any chance on a 2011/2012 1M CSL???
I am defending it because I am in acceptance phase. I seen the car back in 2008 and like everyone here I went through the stages. But the more I become familiar with the car the more I understand the design and see it more clearly especially the details which in some photographs are obscured by various lighting conditions. It is not as bulbous because in reality you see the creases underneath the headlights that make the nose more prominent . In some photographs you cannot even see the detail leading the viewer to summarize that the car is completely empty at the front.

As I said the car and the forthcoming 3er is on my own account over two years old, right now they are in the early stages of the competition for the next 7er. Everyday I get the opportunity to step into the future.
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      06-08-2011, 12:36 PM   #47
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      06-08-2011, 12:42 PM   #48
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How will they ever make a 1M off of this!?!?!
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      06-08-2011, 12:49 PM   #49
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      06-08-2011, 01:08 PM   #50
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Im sorry but putting a "M" package on this hatchback isn't going to make it any prettier.
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      06-08-2011, 01:15 PM   #51
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How will they ever make a 1M off of this!?!?!
I think the problem is the eyes/nose doesn't go with lower front bumper, if they replaced the front bumper it might work well. Its like they're trying to mesh in two different designs, it seems like they were going for a bit of a vw look.
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      06-08-2011, 01:16 PM   #52
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In some photographs you cannot even see the detail leading the viewer to summarize that the car is completely empty at the front.
Yes, that is my main gripe.

This shot highlights that problem.
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      06-08-2011, 02:07 PM   #53
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It looks like an angry shoe.
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      06-08-2011, 03:45 PM   #54
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It looks like an angry shoe.
This is the real "angry shoe":
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      06-08-2011, 04:06 PM   #55
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So you don't want to move to Europe, Asia or Australia? Because as most of you might not be aware - for what reason ever - This car will NOT come to the US.
So comments like above are a bit pointless, are they?
The choice by BMW NA to not bring the F20 to the US really baffles me.

I would be really happy to buy one. Fully loaded with M-Sport.

BMW would really end up owning the US premium hatch market if they brought it hear in 128i, 135i, and 123d forms. Combined with Mini sales and they would have well over half the market.

If you're in the market here for a premium hatch, not an SUV, you have these options:
  • Audi A3 2.0T/TDI
  • BMW - ?
  • Lexus - CT200h
  • Mercedes - upcoming A-Class (which they intend to bring to the US)
  • Mini Cooper / Clubman in all variants
  • VW GTI - heavily optioned
  • VW Beetle 2.0T/TDI - heavily optioned (VW intends to compete with Mini here)
    Volvo C30
One thing you notice immediately is that they are all FWD, except a select few which come in 4WD as well. My rough number is that this is just shy of 150,000 cars in the US. If BMW were to sell this vehicle here they would capture some sales from the competition. BMW might cannibalize some sales from the X3, but with a starting price of $36,750, I would argue that would likely not be significant. They might cannibalize some sales from Mini, but I would think that would be only in the case of the 4-door hatch as Mini's 4-dr is the Countryman. But what I really think would happen is that they would grow the market by 10,000 a year and steal from their competition. This would be because their product in the market would be unique; RWD/xDrive, premium, performance oriented, and if they bring the 123d, able to compete head to head with premium hybrids.

Just my 2 cents.
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Lol I was about to say, some actually bought one? Turns out it's a test vehicle.
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      06-08-2011, 07:51 PM   #57
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The surprising thing is that BMW brought out such a good looking car as the F10 5 series and followed it with this. I wonder if the F20 design has anything to do with Chris Bangle's departure from the company.

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      06-08-2011, 08:25 PM   #58
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That thing got hit with the ugly stick!
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      06-08-2011, 11:50 PM   #59
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Getting T-boned through that intersection might have helped the looks.... somewhat...


on the right side of course ;-)
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      06-08-2011, 11:55 PM   #60
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      06-09-2011, 12:00 AM   #61
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Hmmm
The bird actually looked way better
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      06-09-2011, 03:26 AM   #62
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That thing got hit with the ugly stick!
more like the ugly stick got hit by it!

edit: we should call the car "it - the mobile reincarnation"
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      06-09-2011, 06:44 PM   #63
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It looks ridiculous, and the tiny wheels don't help.
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Why would it have side view cameras?
ummm.. for parking?
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      06-15-2011, 10:23 AM   #65
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Headlights just throw me off, rear lights nothing special either
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damn.. why did they ruin it..
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