Photo Comparison: F20 versus E87 1-series Hatchback - BMW 1-Series Forum (F20) 135i

Jason · 06-04-2011, 02:24 PM

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Photo Comparison: F20 versus E87 1-series Hatchback

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We've compiled a photo comparison of the F20 1-series 5-door hatchback versus its closest predecessor model - the E87 1-series 5-door hatchback model (non M-sport and facelifted).

For your reference, compared to the E87, the F20:

Body is 85 mm (3.35 inches) longer
Wheelbase is 30 mm (1.18 inches) longer
Front track is 51 mm (2 inches) wider
Rear track is 72 mm (2.83 inches) wider

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Zunkung · 06-06-2011, 01:34 PM

Hhmmm,,,interesting,,because F20 does look really good here,,,IMO,,it looks nicer than E87 in every way,,,it is not that E87 looks bad,,but more like outdated.

DDS2015 · 06-06-2011, 01:41 PM

I think F20 looks better actually. I still think it's ugly, but like other people have been saying, it has it's own identity.

I'd rather drive an ugly car than one that looks like everything else.

lilcdkey · 06-06-2011, 01:42 PM

Ew.

OwnAge · 06-06-2011, 01:43 PM

if u think bout it old on series is also ugly as hell. When it came out ppl were looking at the design negatively. It grew on ppl. This F20 will grow on ppl as well.

e36 was great, e46 came out ppl talked shit and didnt like it. e46 became hot e90/2 came out and ppl again talked shit on the forums bout new gen car. New 3series will come out and again e90/92.. drivers wont like it.

discoboy1 · 06-06-2011, 02:02 PM

Looks more like a face-lift than a total re-design...

Too much plastic between the headlights and the grills...

nmulax · 06-06-2011, 02:11 PM

I think the F20 is at it's worst from directly behind or infront. I don't like the rear bumper, and the headlights are too large IMO. I do however, think it's an improvement from the E87 in every way!

dmboone25 · 06-06-2011, 02:22 PM

The new one definitely looks...meaner...but I am reserving judgment until I can see it in person.

Maybe the interior ring on the new one is a bit small?

Totally makes the headlights on the E82 look "surprised"--it almost highlights that fact...

mjh93sa · 06-06-2011, 02:23 PM

Once there are enough on the road we'll get used to it, just like the 1st gen.

The front end is sort of ok, but could do with some sort of sculpting between the headlight and kidneys as there is a lot of plastic there. From the teaser shot of the M-Sport it looks like that it the plan. But, the back end still looks like a badly done VW polo knock-off.

宝马.e90 · 06-06-2011, 02:29 PM

Comparing them side-by-side, it's the headlights that ruin it for me. The front bumper still a downer, but that can be replaced with a M-sport bumper.

uhn2000 · 06-06-2011, 02:38 PM

Would love to have this a work car .. anyhow its a winner in my eyes. I like the fact that you have to look at it for a bit to appreciate it.

Faust · 06-06-2011, 02:44 PM

I don't think this monstrosity can ever get used to be seen around. It is butt ugly, plain and simple. The front is a horrifying mess, the dent under the kidney grill makes the car look it has crashed on something and so is the side profiling, the headlights are huge and wide apart, the outline of which is a horrible combination of straight lines and curves, the grill is small and there is too much space between it and the headlights. The asymmetric headlamps are ugly, the bumpers are a mess. The rear is unbelievably mediocre and uninteresting. I never thought E87 was a looker but now it looks like an Aston Martin in comparison. Total disaster in my opinion and it hurts to think this thing will be around for the next 6-7 years :-(

jg7879 · 06-06-2011, 02:55 PM

i'm on the fence on this one

looks like a mazda for some reason

Mu Mu · 06-06-2011, 03:12 PM

You cant polish a turd!

antzcrashing · 06-06-2011, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faust

I don't think this monstrosity can ever get used to be seen around. It is butt ugly, plain and simple. The front is a horrifying mess, the dent under the kidney grill makes the car look it has crashed on something and so is the side profiling, the headlights are huge and wide apart, the outline of which is a horrible combination of straight lines and curves, the grill is small and there is too much space between it and the headlights. The asymmetric headlamps are ugly, the bumpers are a mess. The rear is unbelievably mediocre and uninteresting. I never thought E87 was a looker but now it looks like an Aston Martin in comparison. Total disaster in my opinion and it hurts to think this thing will be around for the next 6-7 years :-(

This post describes very accurately how I feel about the F20. I get chills reading it.

Yay-Z · 06-06-2011, 06:18 PM

New one looks alot better

onkloud9 · 06-06-2011, 06:59 PM

Much better with M Sport bumper:

Jon. · 06-06-2011, 07:08 PM

The M sport bumper kinda makes it look like a facelift of the e8x 1 series.

Everything is pretty much similar, except the headlights are really weird in a bad way in my opinion, especially as the halos seem to be non-circular.

It's more aggressive; just for the wrong reasons.

palpatine_us · 06-06-2011, 07:22 PM

When you've got near perfection with angel eyes of identical size lights, why mess up a good thing? I know progress... but the rest of the car needed to progress, not the lights.

Looks like a F'in Subaru.

snowboarder · 06-06-2011, 09:28 PM

Sorry, but the new one looks much much worse, no doubt in my mind.
Those headlights are terrible, not different than any kia/hyundai etc...

Capt Slow · 06-07-2011, 01:37 AM

Looks okay, however BMW rarely have the best looking car in comparison to their competitors.

Based purely on aesthetics,
159, A4 > E90 (fortunately the E92 exists)
XF > F10
Golf/A3 > E87
The 6 series more expensive rivals are better lookers, and I love the new 6, but unfortunately for BMW Jaguar, Maserati and Aston Martin make GT cars too.
The 7 series unfortunately suffers from a similar problem.
The only categories I can think of where BMW is clearly the best looking in it's segment is the Z4 and the X5.
I will say that the M3 is better looking than the C63 and RS5, and the 1M has no real competitors.
Point being, you don't buy a BMW purely for aesthetics, you buy it for the whole package. If appearance concerns you the most, in most cases you bought the wrong car.

But, at the end of the day it's a matter of opinion, the new 1 will grow on us all, just like the E60, E90, E8X and the old 7/Z4 did.

Pentium · 06-07-2011, 09:07 AM

I'm really liking this car....and I'm thinking of it as an option now

06-04-2011, 02:24 PM	#1
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06-06-2011, 01:42 PM	#4
lilcdkey Private Drives: ZHP Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 53 iTrader: (0)	Ew. __________________

06-06-2011, 01:43 PM	#5
OwnAge Brigadier General Drives: LCI 328i Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toronto. Newmarket. Posts: 4,152 iTrader: (1) Garage List 2009 328i [4.49]	if u think bout it old on series is also ugly as hell. When it came out ppl were looking at the design negatively. It grew on ppl. This F20 will grow on ppl as well. e36 was great, e46 came out ppl talked shit and didnt like it. e46 became hot e90/2 came out and ppl again talked shit on the forums bout new gen car. New 3series will come out and again e90/92.. drivers wont like it. __________________ 20% Tint All around \| Matte Black Grills \| Painted Reflectors \| M-Tech Shifter/Hand brake lever \| 3000k HID Fogs \| Mtech 3300 AE \| Alufelgen CS7 19" F 8.5, R 9.5 ET30 \| ContiSport, F 235/R 275 \| H&R Sport Springs \| CF Perf. T.1 Trunk Spoiler \| CF BMW Perf. Splitters \| BMW Perf. Exhaust \| iPhone4 Doc \| PBX \| K&E Filter/Charcoal Delete

06-06-2011, 02:02 PM	#6
discoboy1 Major Drives: E82 1M VO Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,261 iTrader: (3)	Looks more like a face-lift than a total re-design... Too much plastic between the headlights and the grills... __________________ 2011 E82 1M VO

06-06-2011, 02:11 PM	#7
nmulax Brigadier General Drives: '07 Z4 M Coupe Join Date: May 2006 Location: Metro-Detroit Posts: 4,316 iTrader: (5) Garage List 2007 Z4M Coupé [3.83]	I think the F20 is at it's worst from directly behind or infront. I don't like the rear bumper, and the headlights are too large IMO. I do however, think it's an improvement from the E87 in every way! __________________

06-06-2011, 01:34 PM	#2
Zunkung Private First Class Drives: E90 318ise Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 103 iTrader: (0)	Hhmmm,,,interesting,,because F20 does look really good here,,,IMO,,it looks nicer than E87 in every way,,,it is not that E87 looks bad,,but more like outdated.

06-06-2011, 01:41 PM	#3
DDS2015 Major Drives: 2011 E90 LCI 328i xdrive Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Winnipeg/Minneapolis Posts: 1,003 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 BMW E90 328 xd ... [0.00]	I think F20 looks better actually. I still think it's ugly, but like other people have been saying, it has it's own identity. I'd rather drive an ugly car than one that looks like everything else.

06-06-2011, 02:22 PM	#8
dmboone25 Brigadier General Drives: 2011 E82 N55 135i/DUC M1100EVO Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago, IL & Indianapolis IN Posts: 4,015 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 E92 328i [0.00] 2007 328i [0.00]	The new one definitely looks...meaner...but I am reserving judgment until I can see it in person. Maybe the interior ring on the new one is a bit small? Totally makes the headlights on the E82 look "surprised"--it almost highlights that fact... __________________ Current - 2011 N55/DCT E82 135i--Lemans Blue, Gray Leather, M Sport, Premium Past BMWs: 2008 E82 135 - AW, N54, MT 2007 E92 328 - JB, N52, MT, ZSP (traded in for 135) 2007 E92 328 - JB, N52, MT (retired by a drunk driver)

06-06-2011, 02:23 PM	#9
mjh93sa Major General Drives: M135i Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Gloucestershire Posts: 5,073 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2012 BMW M135i [5.00] 2011 Mini Countryma ... [2.75]	Once there are enough on the road we'll get used to it, just like the 1st gen. The front end is sort of ok, but could do with some sort of sculpting between the headlight and kidneys as there is a lot of plastic there. From the teaser shot of the M-Sport it looks like that it the plan. But, the back end still looks like a badly done VW polo knock-off. __________________ Gone: Fiesta - Focus - E46 320dSE - E91 330dMSport - E82 135iMSport - R55 JCW Clubman Now: M135i with lots of toys

06-06-2011, 02:29 PM	#10
宝马.e90 Major Drives: E90 325i, R56 MINI Cooper Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 1,247 iTrader: (0)	Comparing them side-by-side, it's the headlights that ruin it for me. The front bumper still a downer, but that can be replaced with a M-sport bumper.

06-06-2011, 02:38 PM	#11
uhn2000 Big K... Drives: F10 M5, Cayenne S Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 1,301 iTrader: (0)	Would love to have this a work car .. anyhow its a winner in my eyes. I like the fact that you have to look at it for a bit to appreciate it. __________________ R8GT Spyder '12 / M5 '13 (MT)

06-06-2011, 02:44 PM	#12
Faust Private Drives: Vauxhall Calibra Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: London Posts: 81 iTrader: (0)	I don't think this monstrosity can ever get used to be seen around. It is butt ugly, plain and simple. The front is a horrifying mess, the dent under the kidney grill makes the car look it has crashed on something and so is the side profiling, the headlights are huge and wide apart, the outline of which is a horrible combination of straight lines and curves, the grill is small and there is too much space between it and the headlights. The asymmetric headlamps are ugly, the bumpers are a mess. The rear is unbelievably mediocre and uninteresting. I never thought E87 was a looker but now it looks like an Aston Martin in comparison. Total disaster in my opinion and it hurts to think this thing will be around for the next 6-7 years :-(

06-06-2011, 02:55 PM	#13
jg7879 Captain Drives: e60,e90 and soon e36 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: los angeles Posts: 988 iTrader: (1)	i'm on the fence on this one looks like a mazda for some reason __________________

06-06-2011, 03:12 PM	#14
Mu Mu First Lieutenant Drives: BMW 330i Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Johannesburg Posts: 355 iTrader: (0)	You cant polish a turd!

06-06-2011, 06:18 PM	#16
Yay-Z Shifting to Top Gear Drives: F30 328I Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Midland / Houston, TX Posts: 299 iTrader: (0)	New one looks alot better

06-06-2011, 06:59 PM	#17
onkloud9 Private Drives: 2012 Golf R Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 91 iTrader: (2)	Much better with M Sport bumper:

06-06-2011, 07:08 PM	#18
Jon. First Lieutenant Drives: 125i Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Sydney Posts: 323 iTrader: (0)	The M sport bumper kinda makes it look like a facelift of the e8x 1 series. Everything is pretty much similar, except the headlights are really weird in a bad way in my opinion, especially as the halos seem to be non-circular. It's more aggressive; just for the wrong reasons.

06-06-2011, 07:22 PM	#19
palpatine_us Old Man Drives: 2010 Audi A6- Former E90 Owner Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NY Posts: 81 iTrader: (0)	When you've got near perfection with angel eyes of identical size lights, why mess up a good thing? I know progress... but the rest of the car needed to progress, not the lights. Looks like a F'in Subaru.

06-06-2011, 09:28 PM	#20
snowboarder Private First Class Drives: M3 Join Date: May 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 117 iTrader: (0)	Sorry, but the new one looks much much worse, no doubt in my mind. Those headlights are terrible, not different than any kia/hyundai etc...

06-07-2011, 01:37 AM	#21
Capt Slow Private Drives: E39 530i Sport Individual Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: "The merry old land of Aus" Posts: 83 iTrader: (0)	Looks okay, however BMW rarely have the best looking car in comparison to their competitors. Based purely on aesthetics, 159, A4 > E90 (fortunately the E92 exists) XF > F10 Golf/A3 > E87 The 6 series more expensive rivals are better lookers, and I love the new 6, but unfortunately for BMW Jaguar, Maserati and Aston Martin make GT cars too. The 7 series unfortunately suffers from a similar problem. The only categories I can think of where BMW is clearly the best looking in it's segment is the Z4 and the X5. I will say that the M3 is better looking than the C63 and RS5, and the 1M has no real competitors. Point being, you don't buy a BMW purely for aesthetics, you buy it for the whole package. If appearance concerns you the most, in most cases you bought the wrong car. But, at the end of the day it's a matter of opinion, the new 1 will grow on us all, just like the E60, E90, E8X and the old 7/Z4 did. __________________ "Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast."

06-07-2011, 09:07 AM	#22
Pentium First Lieutenant Drives: BMW Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Tartous Posts: 330 iTrader: (0)	I'm really liking this car....and I'm thinking of it as an option now __________________ The Best Is Yet To Come!

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