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      04-02-2008, 03:42 PM   #1
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Exclamation CAR Magazine: BMW approves Tii

Details are sketchy, it could still be just a pack of some type and not a production model:

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BMW chief Norbert Reithofer has confirmed to CAR Online that a range of tii performance options will be launched soon on the company's smaller models. He has finally ruled out a rumoured M1 version of the 1-series and said the tii spec would be the most performance-oriented model, claiming the the twin-turbo 135i was quite fast enough (it does 0-62mph in 5.3sec, after all).

The tii concept shown at the 2007 Tokyo Motor Show points accurately to the approach BMW is developing: performance kits for the 1-series coupe and hatchback, an aero package, carbonfibre details, fatter wheels and tyres, sports seats and instruments. There's even talk of a new M-style steering wheel with integrated LED rev counter.

A tii for the masses

BMW is the past master at offering huge choice in spec and trim; subtle nuance of alloy wheel size here, and Sport spec there is the stuff of workplace car park folklore. The tii spec will slot above today's M sport spec in the multi-faceted pecking order.

However, BMW plans for the tii models to be proper performance cars in the longer run. For instance, the next-gen 1-series, dubbed F20 and due in late 2011, will offer a tii version with a downsized twin-turbo four-cylinder petrol engine and a radically lighter body and chassis, we hear.

The 3-series tii

We'll see the facelifted 3-series this summer - with mild revisions to the lights and bonnet - but there is likely to be a tii model, too. Expect the brakes from the M3, 19in wheels, sports suspension and a new twin-clutch transmission. Again, though, a harder core tii is likely with the next 3-series, codenamed F30 and due in late 2011.

Q&A with Norbert Reithofer

CAR: In Tokyo, BMW showed a vision for a 1-series coupe with tii genes. Fact or fiction?
Reithofer: 'The response was positive. Expect to see tailormade tii packages in the very near future.'

Q: But the original tii was much more than a cosmetic equipment package...
A: 'True. On the other hand, the 135i already plays kind of a tii role within the 1series.'

Q: What about an even stronger M1 as new top-of-the-line version?
A: 'It´s not in the plan.'

Q: The tii approach epitomises core brand values for BMW. Are your smallest models most likely to get the tii treatment first?
A: 'In terms of sportiness and vehicles dynamics, both the 1- and the 3-series are already well positioned.'

Q: Isn't the danger that the tii suffix could be seen as just decorative? CAR thinks there should be substance to back up the badge...
A: 'I don´t disagree. But we need a bit more time - to define the evolution of the tii theme and to physically develop it.'
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Se...ontent-block=0
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Interesting, but I don't think it should sway anyone from getting their 1 now.

The phrase "extremely limited production" comes to mind...
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IMO, what makes the 135i so good is its engine. To make a lightweight version while sacrificing the awesome N54 to me is not worth it. Unless we are talking about huge weight saving (Think, S2000 or even Exige).
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IMO, what makes the 135i so good is its engine. To make a lightweight version while sacrificing the awesome N54 to me is not worth it. Unless we are talking about huge weight saving (Think, S2000 or even Exige).
They're not going to drop the engine to save weight in the 135tii. They're going to do carbon fiber hoods and accessories. Kill the sunroof, and the replace the seats with lighter, suede, manual seats.
I don't really know how much weight they'll save in the process, but the closer it gets to 3000lbs, the better.
I wouldn't be surprised if the tii bodykit is lighter than the standard 135i kit.
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Oh SNAP

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Thank goodness I have not placed any sort of money down on a 135i. Please, please, please make this car affordable (preferably N54-less, as well).
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From the article:

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... the next-gen 1-series, dubbed F20 and due in late 2011, will offer a tii version with a downsized twin-turbo four-cylinder petrol engine and a radically lighter body and chassis ...
What a tease!
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According to leftlanenews.com, it looks like in CAR they said the next gen 1 series will have a tii model, but this generation will just be a whole lot of performance parts, like a chip and such.
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i think a very smart move. Maybe offer with a boost in power by BMW perf.
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Thank goodness I have not placed any sort of money down on a 135i. Please, please, please make this car affordable (preferably N54-less, as well).

Umm, you read the article where it said 2011 right? lol I hope you have plans until that time
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Umm, you read the article where it said 2011 right? lol I hope you have plans until that time
Seeing as I just bought a MINI less than six-months ago, I am actually pleased that it wont be out for a while, if you know what I mean...
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i'm extremely glad to hear it and exactly the way they are doing it (although i REALLY hope i like the F20 as much aesthetically as i like the e82)

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Umm, you read the article where it said 2011 right? lol I hope you have plans until that time
and actually i do too. everytime there is news or a thread about the tii or M1 or what have you there is no need to immediately retort that its not worth the wait (sorry not to lay into you, but it really happens every time). and its not that we're necessarily waiting for something BETTER than the 135, we're excited about something that fits our tastes even better than the 135. and i pray to god they bring it to the US because an even lighter more rigid turbo 4 cyl 2011 F20 tii fits my bill perfectly.

awesome news.
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everytime there is news or a thread about the tii or M1 or what have you there is no need to immediately retort that its not worth the wait (sorry not to lay into you, but it really happens every time). and its not that we're necessarily waiting for something BETTER than the 135, we're excited about something that fits our tastes even better than the 135.

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. Very well said. None of us performance advocates are trying to take anything away from the 135i....sheesh.

I love how he's saying they're wont be an M1 over and over. Lets see if Scottyboy is right about this M135i.
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"BMW chief Norbert Reithofer has confirmed to CAR Online that a range of tii performance options will be launched soon on the company's smaller models. He has finally ruled out a rumoured M1 version of the 1-series and said the tii spec would be the most performance-oriented model, claiming the the twin-turbo 135i was quite fast enough (it does 0-62mph in 5.3sec, after all)."
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M1 (new engine) -> no
M135 (more "M" version of 135) -> hmm...

seems as if they are using the tii moniker to represent the new version of performance oriented bmw's that follow the efficient dynamics regime where as ///Motorsport are no holds barred powerful performance versions. also neat to hear that this (tii) trend will likely be following into the 3 series as well.
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They're not going to drop the engine to save weight in the 135tii. They're going to do carbon fiber hoods and accessories. Kill the sunroof, and the replace the seats with lighter, suede, manual seats.
I don't really know how much weight they'll save in the process, but the closer it gets to 3000lbs, the better.
I wouldn't be surprised if the tii bodykit is lighter than the standard 135i kit.
If they do use a high-tuned 4 banger turbo (which I hope they do) that alone will save much weight, and where it needs to come from...the front. Then they can remove the rear balast and give it the same treatment as the M3 got to save weight all over. I would hope it comes standard with convential tires as well (as M cars do). The 1er has a lot of potential, even at a lower PS rating. I value handling and braking, and usable mid range power above max power. Of course with the 135i you get the best of all worlds. Could use a little diet though and conventional rubber...
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According to leftlanenews.com, it looks like in CAR they said the next gen 1 series will have a tii model, but this generation will just be a whole lot of performance parts, like a chip and such.
That's exactly how I read this as well. A tii for the next model and a tii performance kit / parts for this model.

Works for me! I thought the final question quoted was very appropriate ... I'm not looking for tii cosmetics (okay maybe a little) but some true substance.
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To me these are the key quotes:

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Q: But the original tii was much more than a cosmetic equipment package…

A: ‘True. On the other hand, the 135i already plays kind of a tii role within the 1series.’
So one could gather it will likely be mostly cosmetic based on that answer.

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Q: Isn’t the danger that the tii suffix could be seen as just decorative? CAR thinks there should be substance to back up the badge…

A: ‘I don´t disagree. But we need a bit more time - to define the evolution of the tii theme and to physically develop it.’
And here one could gather that the "tii" branding will develop as they produce product plans that take it into account (ie the next generation 1 and 3).
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everytime there is news or a thread about the tii or M1 or what have you there is no need to immediately retort that its not worth the wait
While I actually agree with you, the quote that started it:
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Thank goodness I have not placed any sort of money down on a 135i.
is going to rub some people the wrong way, whether or not it was intended to do so.

As for the topic, I don't see how any enthusiast loses if they introduce a new performance model. If you just bought a 135i, but would actually prefer the tii, either sell off the 135i at some loss when the tii comes out, or hang on to the 135 for a few years and get a used tii -- or whatever performance 1er happens to be out at that time.
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It sounds to me like a Porsche clubsport...aka one of the most copied cars by Porsche owners. Why pay extra to have weight reductions done by the factory that can be done at home? Now the sunroof I concede would be nice...but eliminating rear seats, pulling carpets, removing window motors, replacing seats...all attainable w/the 135.
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