[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Tyga11

Congrats - you've managed to derail this thread with your 'opinion' which isn't even related to the thread. Good job champ

I didn't derail anything. I was talking about halo cars and you two morons decided to "come at me bro" because I said your grill was ugly.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

I don't really care what your opinion on the aesthetics of the car is. I was mocking you for the the fact that you are wasting your time on an online forum for a car/brand that you don't even own. I mean even you can you can see how lame that is... right?

Nope not lame, this isn't an "M4 forum". It's the general BMW discussion forum, and I owned an M340i and like BMW...I just don't like the look of yours...kill me (half the forum doesn't either).

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Tyga11

He is one of the 10 people in the entire world who has bought a new RS5. There is a reason they are heavily discounted. They are practically giving them away.

When I test drove an RS5 a couple of months ago, the dealer was begging me to take the car because they knew they had no shot of selling it.

Blah blah blah. I could have bought a G8x and didn't because I couldn't look at it. Anyway, enjoy your ride in good health and I'll enjoy mine.

[Forzanerazzurri]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

Nope not lame, this isn't an "M4 forum". It's the general BMW discussion forum, and I owned an M340i and like BMW...I just don't like the look of yours...kill me (half the forum doesn't either).

I mean it literally says "g80" at the top of the page and in the website address.

Why don't you just go back to the Audi board. You have no skin in the game here. You can tell everyone that even though your bland car gets no attention you can still get some on the M3 board by being edgy and adolescent.

[Tyga11]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

Blah blah blah. I could have bought a G8x and didn't because I couldn't look at it. Anyway, enjoy your ride in good health and I'll enjoy mine.

Please spare me in trying to be the victim. You have done this repeatedly which is why I called you out. You literally have to tell everyone you hate the G8X in every thread it gets old

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Tyga11

Please spare me in trying to be the victim. You have done this repeatedly which is why I called you out. You literally have to tell everyone you hate the G8X in every thread it gets old

Haha what?? Please quote ALL of these times I say I hate the G8x! Have I said I don't like the grill? Yup. Nothing else though. Please go ahead and present your facts.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

I mean it literally says "g80" at the top of the page and in the website address.

Why don't you just go back to the Audi board. You have no skin in the game here. You can tell everyone that even though your bland car gets no attention you can still get some on the M3 board by being edgy and adolescent.

Nice try. This is under the general forum, you only see G80 at the top because that's what you are logged into to. Anyway, keep going...doesn't bother me one bit. I've been very active, helpful, and have given praise on the G20 portion of this forum so you can think what you want. Do some research before you call me out.

[VINCER0]

The "i8" was BMW's most recent attempt at a halo car, but hopefully they'll do much better with the "i8M":

"BMW is working on a follow-up to the plug-in-hybrid i8 halo car, which in and of itself never really lived up to expectations. Previewed by the 2019 BMW Vision M Next concept car, this yet-to-be-named replacement (we've taken to calling it the i8 M) should place greater emphasis on performance than its predecessor did.

Following the i8's lead, this supercar will have an electrified front axle and combine a turbocharged gas engine with an electric motor on the rear axle. But here you'll find an inline-four instead of the i8's inline-three. The battery will enable at least 60 miles of EV driving between charges. Combined output will flirt with 600 ponies, so that should address anyone's concerns about the i8 M having the motor(s) to back up its M1 looks."

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...onfirmed-2024/

https://www.caranddriver.com/bmw/i8-m

[RichF90M5C]

Originally Posted by NYG

I think it's hideous. It's one of those designs that ages so poorly, which is weird because BMW has a history of timeless designs. Only BMW and Porsche knew how to make a car look good for decades.

Yep, I’m with you there. I like BMWs but the i8 just looks like a plastic turd.

[BMWCCA1]

For those who think the R8 makes a compelling reason for BMW to have a halo car, please check on the current R8 prices—and how long they've sat on the lots used. What do they add to the marque? As someone who sold Audi (alongside Porsche and BMW) for 20-years prior to going exclusively BMW (after 50-years of owning them, including the M1), I have to say the halo-effect could actually become a noose for the manufacturer who buries themselves in a car that loses money on each one sold (M1, Z8, 507 . . . ).

Evidence: https://www.audicharlottesville.com/...e1f69978be.htm

In inventory for over 6-months, under $80k, 35k-miles in over ten-years, clean Carfax shows 5-owners. Nice Halo!

[NYG]

Originally Posted by BMWCCA1

For those who think the R8 makes a compelling reason for BMW to have a halo car, please check on the current R8 prices—and how long they've sat on the lots used. What do they add to the marque? As someone who sold Audi (alongside Porsche and BMW) for 20-years prior to going exclusively BMW (after 50-years of owning them, including the M1), I have to say the halo-effect could actually become a noose for the manufacturer who buries themselves in a car that loses money on each one sold (M1, Z8, 507 . . . ).

Evidence: https://www.audicharlottesville.com/...e1f69978be.htm

In inventory for over 6-months, under $80k, 35k-miles in over ten-years, clean Carfax shows 5-owners. Nice Halo!

You literally can't even get a 2023 R8 right now.

My 2021 still has 40k of equity in it. lol

[BMWCCA1]

Originally Posted by NYG

You literally can't even get a 2023 R8 right now.

My 2021 still has 40k of equity in it. lol

There are plenty of cars you can't buy new right now. I've had customers willingly waiting a year for a BMW M3 (M4s are a dime a dozen for some reason).

But then your equity statement: Compared to what you owe?? Or over what you paid? There's a substantial financial difference in what that means. I have over $40k in equity sitting in old BMWs in my driveway right now, mostly because I owe nothing on any of them. Value is different from equity. What are you really trying to say? Just curious. You made the statement.

Get a real appraisal for a buy-number from someone who actually has money and will buy the car from you. Nothing else is real. Asking price has really little to do with real value. And the number of these available on the market used is pretty remarkable for a "halo" car.

[AWDtoRWD]

Hmm its a good question. I've always thought the m5 is their 'faster than most' car. That seems to fit the criteria.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by BMWCCA1

There are plenty of cars you can't buy new right now. I've had customers willingly waiting a year for a BMW M3 (M4s are a dime a dozen for some reason).

But then your equity statement: Compared to what you owe?? Or over what you paid? There's a substantial financial difference in what that means. I have over $40k in equity sitting in old BMWs in my driveway right now, mostly because I owe nothing on any of them. Value is different from equity. What are you really trying to say? Just curious. You made the statement.

Get a real appraisal for a buy-number from someone who actually has money and will buy the car from you. Nothing else is real. Asking price has really little to do with real value. And the number of these available on the market used is pretty remarkable for a "halo" car.

Does your definition of a halo car mean that it has to be unattainable and/or unavailable? I get that halo cars are often not a money maker for manufacturers (not many sports cars are). It's all about marketing the brand, aspirational purchasing, and engineering fortitude. Not all brands need it, but it often produces interesting products for people to talk about. I don't think BMW needs a halo car, but it's not like it would hurt the brand or its bank account.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by BMWCCA1

There are plenty of cars you can't buy new right now. I've had customers willingly waiting a year for a BMW M3 (M4s are a dime a dozen for some reason).

But then your equity statement: Compared to what you owe?? Or over what you paid? There's a substantial financial difference in what that means. I have over $40k in equity sitting in old BMWs in my driveway right now, mostly because I owe nothing on any of them. Value is different from equity. What are you really trying to say? Just curious. You made the statement.

Get a real appraisal for a buy-number from someone who actually has money and will buy the car from you. Nothing else is real. Asking price has really little to do with real value. And the number of these available on the market used is pretty remarkable for a "halo" car.

I think you're having a hard time with all of this.

You can buy almost any car right now if you're willing to wait. As of the last 6 months you can't even get on a list for a 2023 R8. I couldn't even get on a list for an R8 GT as an owner.

The car literally skyrocketed Audi to where they are today. Not sure what point you're trying to make. And if you know me well enough from my posts here, I have zero loyalty to any brand I pay money to drive their cars so it's not bias. Audi can blow me.

[DavesZupra4]

Originally Posted by Onesie

Lol @ reading comprehension

Lmao he thought you meant it in a bad way

[DavesZupra4]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

What? Pignose 4238 lb AWD automatic M4 convertible not HALO enough
🤣
I heard it's the talk among all the balding potbellied discerning M car connoisseurs

And that's why we have the g29 when we can afford the long, bloated m4. I've driven it, honestly z4 feels more truly confidented and planted and FUN in corners. Shorter wheelbase, height, length, same width as a new m4, and you sit right in front of the rear axle as opposed to the middle in the m4 with a LOT OF CAR STILL BEHIND YOU and rifht behind the rear window of an m4 there is still A LOT OF CAR DRAGGING BEHIND YUCK 🤮.

M4 has more aggressive suspension tune, z4 is more comfortable with adaptive suspension and still performs similar. If we get aggressive suspensions z4 will out handle any new m car all day even more than the new m2

[DavesZupra4]

Originally Posted by Tyga11

Can you please exit my thread? All you do is trash the M4. You literally drive the most boring performance car in existence

Dude. Are you saying the z4 m40i is boring to someone who fell for the m4 hype in 2015 and got one but realized it sucks and sold it right away, and realized the m2 was far better and even better was the m2 comp which I drove for like 2 weeks.

I even drove the m850i and the new m4 for a week or so each, and I'd rather have the m850i and z4. They both look better but the z4 looks even better and drives fat better and sounds better than the old m4 for sure and stays as planted as the new m4 and it has a much more comfortable suspension tuning. A z4 with an aggressive setup like the current m4 would destroy the overweight lanky blob.

We literally LOOK better, have a shorter wheelbase, height, and length compared to ANY bmw in the past 20 years (even the 1 and f series 2 series), yet are as WIDE as a new M4 or even 5 series and sit right in front of the rear axle for better weight distribution while on the m4 you sit in the middle or ahead of the middle of the wheelbase, ans still have A LOTTT OF CAR BEHIND YOU. It's hideous. It's a sedan made into a coupe.

The z4 is the ONLY true sports car dimension and looks wise and it's performance and handling and looks speak for itself. It stays planted like a new m4 but with more comfort. If i set up aggressive suspension I'd destroy any new m car even the new m2 (also shares it's platform/chassis with the 3/4 series lol)


The z4 is king. My tuned m40i makes 440-450wheel and 480-500wtrq and I'm over 500-720lbs (225-325kg) less weight than you

[DavesZupra4]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

I don't really care what your opinion on the aesthetics of the car is. I was mocking you for the the fact that you are wasting your time on an online forum for a car/brand that you don't even own. I mean even you can you can see how lame that is... right?

Yup
can't stand those who think they're going to upset fans of a certain brand/car by coming to THEIR forum to state how much their brand/car they like sucks while they don't even own or like one in the first place. The irony goes over their head becsuse they don't realize how stupid it is to waste time going to another forum to act "higher than thou" and be a fan boy of your brand and mock others meanwhile we don't do the same because we don't waste time on things we aren't interested in

[DavesZupra4]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

Blah blah blah. I could have bought a G8x and didn't because I couldn't look at it. Anyway, enjoy your ride in good health and I'll enjoy mine.

Dude go away. If you don't like a car why waste time and energy making it known to the world and being toxic? This is a FAN forum, not a general forum for every car brand.

You're being foolish and ridiculous. It's like you seem hurt by bmw for some reason and have to mock it's owners.

[Tyga11]

Originally Posted by DavesZupra4

Dude. Are you saying the z4 m40i is boring to someone who fell for the m4 hype in 2015 and got one but realized it sucks and sold it right away, and realized the m2 was far better and even better was the m2 comp which I drove for like 2 weeks.

I even drove the m850i and the new m4 for a week or so each, and I'd rather have the m850i and z4. They both look better but the z4 looks even better and drives fat better and sounds better than the old m4 for sure and stays as planted as the new m4 and it has a much more comfortable suspension tuning. A z4 with an aggressive setup like the current m4 would destroy the overweight lanky blob.

We literally LOOK better, have a shorter wheelbase, height, and length compared to ANY bmw in the past 20 years (even the 1 and f series 2 series), yet are as WIDE as a new M4 or even 5 series and sit right in front of the rear axle for better weight distribution while on the m4 you sit in the middle or ahead of the middle of the wheelbase, ans still have A LOTTT OF CAR BEHIND YOU. It's hideous. It's a sedan made into a coupe.

The z4 is the ONLY true sports car dimension and looks wise and it's performance and handling and looks speak for itself. It stays planted like a new m4 but with more comfort. If i set up aggressive suspension I'd destroy any new m car even the new m2 (also shares it's platform/chassis with the 3/4 series lol)


The z4 is king. My tuned m40i makes 440-450wheel and 480-500wtrq and I'm over 500-720lbs (225-325kg) less weight than you

I'm talking about the RS5

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by DavesZupra4

Dude go away. If you don't like a car why waste time and energy making it known to the world and being toxic? This is a FAN forum, not a general forum for every car brand.

You're being foolish and ridiculous. It's like you seem hurt by bmw for some reason and have to mock it's owners.

I literally have not mocked any owners at all. I said one thing about the M4 (it was ugly because of the grill). I've said plenty of great things about other models in the BMW lineup. I never even brought up my car at all. This is a general BMW section, not model specific, and was a general question. I owned a G20 BMW not too long ago, so it's not like I just came over here to bash anyone (take a look at my post history and you will see). You have done more bashing of the M4 and virtually every other model by saying the Z4 is King!! Nobody is jumping down your throat...strange. Again, like your friends before you, do some homework before you call me out.