[mose121]

Originally Posted by DrtyJrze

Exactly. They will say that now, but when the rubber meets the road (haha) I got a feeling the current BMW leadership will do what is best for the bottom line.

Kind of like how they are now telling us that the new steel driveshafts are just as good as the carbon fiber ones they raved about a few years back...

The steel driveshafts are much smaller in diameter. They are necessary to make room for the new euro emissions requirements on existing models. An exhaust particulate filter similar to diesels is now required. The only place to install that filter on existing models is right next to the driveshaft, which required the additional space that a smaller steel shaft will provide. It's not that the steel shaft is better, it's just necessary to meet emissions standards.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by KSERGEI-BY

What about X2M with the B48?

See my earlier post. Not happening. Could it perhaps come in the second generation? Sure, that’s always possible, if they figure out by then that UKL M products make sense. So, BMW is only asking you to wait 7+ years. Maybe closer to ten.

Yet the second generation Q3 RS is on the way to the US in about two years, the GLA45 is here today, and a second generation GLA45 is less than three years away. A coupe-ish GLB45 is rumored too.

BMW will happily sell you an X2 M35i though, starting sometime late next year. And Audi will reportedly answer with a Q3 S and Mercedes with a “GLA32”, showing even more clearly the missing entry from BMW’s lineup.

[Mr Carrots]

Originally Posted by Eddien123

In my opinion inline 6s fit the 4 series and below. I do not think a hybrid turbo 6 in an m6 would be nice. Seems more cheap and budget cutting to me.

Hell if I had it my way the m5 would get a v10 and the m3 would get a v8 again

Yup, thanks to emissions nanny statists and tax grabbers we wont see that but I'd love if the next gen m3/4 had a twin turbo V8 pushing 600+ to the wheels to overshadow the c63s

[ORIGIN M.]

Still-borne !!

Originally Posted by KSERGEI-BY

What about X2M with the B48 ?

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by norMcal

Agreed.

I feel they could make it work with a N/A hybrid version. Because it is usually not too hard to shed weight in the back of our cars. Many of us who have gutted, or removed things to make the car lighter, have learned that the rear has been made artificially heavy to keep the 50/50 balance. Why not use that "ballast" in form or a couple of hybrid motors to boost power and stick with an N/A engine. Now that would be the ticket.

Because a turbo gives more power with less displacement.

[SoCali E36]

Please just give us an NA in-line 6 with 450hp and call it a day.

[adc]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

Mercedes is going to kick their ass from everything I am seeing.

BMW might want to make a inline 5 or something.

The A45/GLA45 is a star performer.

It may perform well but I don't think it sells well. MB Customers, I imagine, don't like the idea of a premium product powered by a 4 cyl engine. I'd be curious to see some sales figures, I could be wrong.

At least the RS3 has a 5 cyl engine, and that is a heritage engine for Audi.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by adc

It may perform well but I don't think it sells well. MB Customers, I imagine, don't like the idea of a premium product powered by a 4 cyl engine. I'd be curious to see some sales figures, I could be wrong.

At least the RS3 has a 5 cyl engine, and that is a heritage engine for Audi.

Inline 5's are so Magical.

[FC05]

Not for the M
But definitely will for M performance cars I suppose

[bim2er]

Originally Posted by KSERGEI-BY

What about X2M with the B48 ?

It's an M Performance model, not an M car.

[Bluesummer]

I have nothing negative against 4cyl. I just wouldn't buy one.

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by adc

It may perform well but I don't think it sells well. MB Customers, I imagine, don't like the idea of a premium product powered by a 4 cyl engine. I'd be curious to see some sales figures, I could be wrong.

At least the RS3 has a 5 cyl engine, and that is a heritage engine for Audi.

Anecdotal evidence I appreciate, but I have seen far more of the A45 on the road than RS3. I'd have the latter in a heartbeat over the former.

Also regarding the downsizing, I've seen videos of the M140i outpulling the A45 at 3 figure speeds. At some point engine displacement reduction comes back to bite you.

[Ghostriderf80]

This sounds good, however I would really like to have AWD. You put anything more in the car over 500 and you have no grip. Tires are beyond its limits unless you run TOYO, which I don't like the idea. AWD if done well would not add that much weight. They can use carbon drive shafts and carbon throughout the car in larger amounts. Not only body work but structural components.

I would like to see an electric car with high performance. Tesla is doing well but their quality is not on par w BMW. If you look at Mission E from Porsche it is definitely my next car if it looks similar or better than the concept.

[StealYourFace]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

Inline 5's are so Magical.

That's kind of a blanket statement if you've never had the misfortune to drive a Jetta with a groaning 5cyl.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by pheerlx

Let's hope the M models stay desirable but much like the current Boxster/Cayman I wouldn't be surprised if every other non-M model went turbo 4cyl.

Cadillac as well ..

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by adc

It may perform well but I don't think it sells well. MB Customers, I imagine, don't like the idea of a premium product powered by a 4 cyl engine. I'd be curious to see some sales figures, I could be wrong.

A good indicator of whether a product has been profitable or, at the very least, successful by some reasonable measure, is whether a future evolution of that product is planned or not.

In that light, since we know that Mercedes has a new version of the A45 testing that happens to use an updated version of this 4 cylinder engine (M133) that you are suggesting that Mercedes customers may not be happy with:

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...back-spy-shots

I think it is fair to say at this point that your hypothesis cannot be confirmed.

Originally Posted by bim2er

It's an M Performance model, not an M car.

An M performance X2 M35i is coming, yes. But a proper "X2M" which is what s/he asked about - though admittedly, we cannot be certain was not meant to nebulously refer to any X2 touched by M division - is definitely not in the cards.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by StealYourFace

That's kind of a blanket statement if you've never had the misfortune to drive a Jetta with a groaning 5cyl.

Turbocharged I-5

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80

This sounds good, however I would really like to have AWD. You put anything more in the car over 500 and you have no grip. Tires are beyond its limits unless you run TOYO, which I don't like the idea. AWD if done well would not add that much weight. They can use carbon drive shafts and carbon throughout the car in larger amounts. Not only body work but structural components.

I would like to see an electric car with high performance. Tesla is doing well but their quality is not on par w BMW. If you look at Mission E from Porsche it is definitely my next car if it looks similar or better than the concept.

If you haven't seen how many future models include the possibility of Xdrive... perhaps you had better pay closer attention. the M5 already has it. The X5m and x6M of course as well. Oh and the x3m and x4m.

I doubt the s58 will put out more than 500hp and i sure hope that BMW hasn't enlarged the next generation m3 and M4 to be a bloated 500 hp vehicle that requires x drive.

If you are unhappy with way the current M3 and M4 put the power down, that's simply due to an initial suspension design that wasn't dialed in well as seen by the Zcp models. They don't need all wheel drive at all

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by pheerlx

Let's hope the M models stay desirable but much like the current Boxster/Cayman I wouldn't be surprised if every other non-M model went turbo 4cyl.

For the "G generation", things will look roughly like this (in the US):

1/2 UKL
Non-M: 28i B48
M Performance: M35i B48
M: Nope!

2 CLAR
Non-M: 30i B48
M Performance: M40i B58
M: S58

3/4
Non-M: 30i B48
M Performance: M40i B58
M: S58

5/6
Non-M: 30i B48, 40i B58
M Performance: M50i N63
M: S63

7/8
Non-M: 40i B58, 50i N63
M-Performance: M60i N74
M: S63

So, if we use your term "M models" to apply to both M proper and M Performance vehicles, then you are correct insofar as, any model below a 5 that is not an "M model" will have a four cylinder engine (B48).

[Killed by Death]

Hybrid? You SUK sir

[Romo]

"It`s all about heritage, it started with a 6IL M1"


yes, and than came the E30 M3.....a 4IL


Expect the unexpected

[stefan]

Is this like a "M will never build SUVs" or "M will never build turbocharged engines" kinda thing?