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BMW statement regarding ongoing investigation by the Munich prosecutor office

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March 21, 2018

Munich. The BMW Group confirms that the Munich public prosecutor has opened an investigation regarding a software update which has been mistakenly allocated to around 11,400 BMW 750d and BMW M550d vehicles. On 20 March, employees of the prosecutor’s office searched two BMW Group locations in connection with the investigation.

As previously communicated, in the course of internal testing, the BMW Group realized that a correctly developed software module had been allocated in error to models for which it was not suited. Therefore the BMW Group plans to recall 11,400 vehicles, for which a corrected software will be made available as soon as it has been approved by the relevant authorities.

All further steps are being taken in close co-operation with the relevant authorities.

The BMW Group takes the situation very seriously and has a significant interest in the circumstances being fully explained. The company is co-operating fully with the authorities. In addition, the company had already started an internal investigation and will obviously forward all information gathered so far to the authorities. The BMW Group continues to assume that the situation was caused by an incorrect allocation of the software and does not represent a deliberate attempt to manipulate exhaust emissions.

Many of the affected vehicles were initially sold with the correct software and ran correctly for over two years. The incorrect software was employed a significant time after these models originally started production.

[Kief]

Hmm...

[Rick4345]

The prosecutor's office must not have much to do. I know that Germany takes emissions control seriously.

But to launch an investigation. Really??

[CntryClub007]

USA is going to launch an investigation on Apple for how bad iOS 11 was at launch, but subsequently has been corrected with iOS 11.3...

[M3 Adjuster]

I made a post about this yesterday

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Rick4345

The prosecutor's office must not have much to do. I know that Germany takes emissions control seriously.

But to launch an investigation. Really??

I know that Donald trump is in office , but CRIME still should be investigated and prosecuted. Sheesh.

[wdb]

Originally Posted by Rick4345

The prosecutor's office must not have much to do. I know that Germany takes emissions control seriously.

But to launch an investigation. Really??

VW and Audi are paying an enormous price for their fake software. It's a huge deal in Germany. I'm sure MB and BMW are under a diesel powered microscope lately.

[Rick4345]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Fraud isn't a concern?

Where does fraud come in?

If it was done intentionally to gain some type of monetary advantage such as lesser quality at the same price I understand.

I'm sure I'm missing something here.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by wdb

VW and Audi are paying an enormous price for their fake software. It's a huge deal in Germany. I'm sure MB and BMW are under a diesel powered microscope lately.

It's a huge deal here as well.

Enough that VW is offering major cash to owners to buy back vehicles. I handled a claim with a customer recently who was upset because she had a $14,000 (actually it was 13,xxx) offer over current market values to buy back her Touareg and trade for a new car.

She didn't RUN to the dealer but slow played it for months thinking she would wait til the last minute to trade her baby in. Instead It got totaled in an insurance claim and she effectively just threw that buyback offer in the trash.

[wdb]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

It's a huge deal here as well.

Enough that VW is offering major cash to owners to buy back vehicles. I had a claim with a customer recently who was upset because she had. $14,000 offer over MSRP to buy back her Touareg. She didn't RUN to the dealer but slow played it thinking she would wait til the last minute to trade her baby in. Instead It got totaled.

Ouch. My barber had a Jetta diesel that she dearly loved. Then the whole dieselgate thing happened and she was like, what now? So they took a 3-week trip in the car, more or less a circumnavigation of the US. Then she turned it in (for a gas Jetta). Lucky for her it didn't get totaled!

[Rick4345]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

It's a huge deal here as well.

Enough that VW is offering major cash to owners to buy back vehicles. I had a claim with a customer recently who was upset because she had. $14,000 offer over MSRP to buy back her Touareg. She didn't RUN to the dealer but slow played it thinking she would wait til the last minute to trade her baby in. Instead It got totaled.

That was stupid on her part!!

I work at a BMW dealership and we have had a few people come in with their VW settlement money and buy a car using the refund as at least a down payment.

You would think BMW would be more cautious about their diesel program but greed does strange things to people.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Rick4345

Where does fraud come in?

If it was done intentionally to gain some type of monetary advantage such as lesser quality at the same price I understand.

I'm sure I'm missing something here.

Yeah you've been missing a lot. Lol. This should help.


http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1E01W1


7 years ain't no joke - Jack!

BMW contends that somehow a software error occurred in about 11,400 diesel vehicles ... :

[Rick4345]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1E01W1


7 years Jack!

I know the feds don't screw around.

I worked in law enforcement for 34 years. I was always happy when we get a drug trafficker and tell them the case was being turned over to the DEA. They knew their shit was in the wind because they knew their sentences were longer than if prosecuted by the state.

It always amazes me how these executives make a healthy living and still do stupid stuff like this.

[SCOTT26]

Affected the M550d,750d and X5 and X6M50d. Vehicles not sold in North America so the US business media can stop Virtue Signalling as it does not affect the limited models sold as Diesel in the USA.

The Software given to these cars gave worst emissions than the actual software expected to Be used for these models. BMW identified this early and has worked with the relevant departments. With the correct software the cars exceed expectedly targets. Which is why this is not DieselGate #2.

Besides the best selling 3er The 320d has had its internal and external cavity search. And found to be the most accurate and efficient car in its segment. The current generation BMW 320d Gets Clean Bill Of Health From German Authorities

The BMW 320d was deemed to by fully compliant with all legal requirements by the German Federal Motor Transport Authority (KBA), following a series of tests.

The extensive test-bench and road tests were a result of environmental lobby group Deutsche Umwelthilfe criticizing the car’s emissions back in December of 2017.

“As a matter of principle, BMW Group vehicles are not manipulated and comply with all respective legal requirements. Our diesel engines are clean. The public and policymakers can rely on that – and, most of all, so can our customers and employees,” stated BMW board member, Klaus Fröhlich.

The KBA tests found that BMW has no illegal activities or technical provisions of any kind that can influence the test mode for recording emissions. In other words, the BMW 320d they tested did not have a defeat device.

According to BMW, these results also suggest that the emissions readings criticized by Deutsche Umwelthilfe were a direct result of “forced driving situations and flawed execution of tests”.

“The KBA test findings show quite clearly that the vehicle examined was not manipulated. We therefore find the procedure adopted by Deutsche Umwelthilfe to be unprofessional and its results meaningless,” concluded Fröhlich.

[FadyDizzle]

Where there's smoke, there's fire. How do you 'mistakenly' allocate a software update to a car? Seems like they're word-smithing their way out of "we got caught, but gladly they only noticed it on 11,400 vehicles"

[c63er]

So in the midst of the biggest automotive investigations into emissions cheating, of which BMW remains a part of investigation, they mistakenly installed software that actually lowers emissions.

That's some interesting twisting of logic.

You would have a better time going to your goto of blaming liberals, snowflakes and immigrants for your problems.

The "it was an honest mistake" defense which happened with only the Diesel engine in the midst of an investigation into Diesel engines is farcical at best.

We all understand bmw is a large multinational company that needs to maintain profits and thus keep up with Volkswagen and Mercedes. Coming up with this explanation makes you look either as complete liars or completely incompetent. Bad PR any way you look at it. Just stick to attacking immigrants.

[lab_rat]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Affected the M550d,750d and X5 and X6M50d. Vehicles not sold in North America so the US business media can stop Virtue Signalling as it does not affect the limited models sold as Diesel in the USA.

The Software given to these cars gave worst emissions than the actual software expected to Be used for these models. BMW identified this early and has worked with the relevant departments. With the correct software the cars exceed expectedly targets. Which is why this is not DieselGate #2.

Besides the best selling 3er The 320d has had its internal and external cavity search. And found to be the most accurate and efficient car in its segment. The current generation BMW 320d Gets Clean Bill Of Health From German Authorities

The BMW 320d was deemed to by fully compliant with all legal requirements by the German Federal Motor Transport Authority (KBA), following a series of tests.

The extensive test-bench and road tests were a result of environmental lobby group Deutsche Umwelthilfe criticizing the carÂ’s emissions back in December of 2017.

“As a matter of principle, BMW Group vehicles are not manipulated and comply with all respective legal requirements. Our diesel engines are clean. The public and policymakers can rely on that – and, most of all, so can our customers and employees,” stated BMW board member, Klaus Fröhlich.

The KBA tests found that BMW has no illegal activities or technical provisions of any kind that can influence the test mode for recording emissions. In other words, the BMW 320d they tested did not have a defeat device.

According to BMW, these results also suggest that the emissions readings criticized by Deutsche Umwelthilfe were a direct result of “forced driving situations and flawed execution of tests”.

“The KBA test findings show quite clearly that the vehicle examined was not manipulated. We therefore find the procedure adopted by Deutsche Umwelthilfe to be unprofessional and its results meaningless,” concluded Fröhlich.

Thank you for posting facts and not hype & hysteria.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by wdb

VW and Audi are paying an enormous price for their fake software. It's a huge deal in Germany. I'm sure MB and BMW are under a diesel powered microscope lately.

Although, in the grand scheme of things, they really haven't. There was a great article about the overall lack of impact the scandal had made on the VW group as a whole on Forbes a while back. My recollection is that the VW group has regained the majority of lost value from plummeting stock prices after news of the scandal broke...

I am interested in how the fallout is managed, because I work in the anti-corruption/anti-bribery space. The US has imposed significant monetary penalties here, but there's been very few personal prosecutions (which is what ultimately will change behavior). I may be wrong, but I don't think Germany has imposed any significant penalties yet (monetary or otherwise)...and Germany is also known to be the EU leader in diesel-friendly posture and regulations. It's a fascinating situation...

[simnew]

Originally Posted by Rick4345

That was stupid on her part!!

I work at a BMW dealership and we have had a few people come in with their VW settlement money and buy a car using the refund as at least a down payment.

You would think BMW would be more cautious about their diesel program but greed does strange things to people.

Sounds like you are making a judgement that this was deliberate cheating. We don't know that and it sounds like it has affected very few cars unlike the VW situation.

[Rick4345]

Originally Posted by simnew

Sounds like you are making a judgement that this was deliberate cheating. We don't know that and it sounds like it has affected very few cars unlike the VW situation.

That's what I mean.

It's a small amount of vehicles. It doesn't sound like anything deliberately done to gain any advantage.

If you read my first comment you will see why I was wondering why a prosecutor would be involved.

I did refer to M3adjuster's comment about the lady not using very good judgment.

[simnew]

Originally Posted by Rick4345

That's what I mean.

It's a small amount of vehicles. It doesn't sound like anything deliberately done to gain any advantage.

If you read my first comment you will see why I was wondering why a prosecutor would be involved.

I did refer to M3adjuster's comment about the lady not using very good judgment.

Ah ok. Sounds like I misunderstood ! Apologies I think my statement stands. - just not against your comment .…

[Rick4345]

Originally Posted by simnew

Ah ok. Sounds like I misunderstood ! Apologies I think my statement stands. - just not against your comment .…

You're right to say what you did.

I do believe BMW isn't buying back any diesels, are they??