[M5Beast_NYC]

hello all,

not sure if this has been discussed before but Im contemplating about replacing my F10 535i xdrive with one of the following.

Im thinking of going with the Tesla S P85D. Since I drive a lot and In the northeast i figured it would be nice to get the dual motor. From what Ive read, the performance of the Tesla P85 is pretty good. But paper and actual real world performance arent always the same.

Has anybody own or driven the Tesla S P85d or similar long term to comment? Is it a comparable over the f10 M5 in performance category?

[fcman]

If you don't drive long distances and do a lot of city driving the tesla seems like it will probably do a better job. The M5 will be faster on the highway and you can obviously handle long distances much better.

An E63s or RS7 will both be comparable to the tesla's 0-60 performance, but they perform better on the highway and also have AWD.

[SunnyD]

0-60 the P85/90D will be faster, but as noted above, if you do a lot of highway driving, the M5 will be the better performer at higher speeds. Also, the AWD may be a plus for you since you're in the Northeast and will have to deal with inclement weather.

Long distance drives may be an issue, but you should research where the closest supercharging stations are and see if it works for you. Can't go wrong with either car; you just need to see what suits you the best.

[M5Beast_NYC]

Thanks for the respond.

i do drive about 120 miles a day 3-4 times a week. My job actually have a tesla charger in our parking lot so charging will not be an issue. Im looking for similar or close to similar performance in acceleration, handling and comfort as an M5 with the tesla minus the fuel cost.

Only reason im comparing to an M5 is because i think its the next logical upgrade from my 535 now.

based on both your response, is the highway performance (passing power am assuming) really bad?

[brianeck]

Originally Posted by Carbonm3ny

Thanks for the respond.

i do drive about 120 miles a day 3-4 times a week. My job actually have a tesla charger in our parking lot so charging will not be an issue. Im looking for similar or close to similar performance in acceleration, handling and comfort as an M5 with the tesla minus the fuel cost.

Only reason im comparing to an M5 is because i think its the next logical upgrade from my 535 now.

You could also cross shop with a 550i xdrive or even a 650i xdrive grancoupe (I used to have that one, it was pretty evil) to make the AWD an even playing field. Both of those cars would still be substantial improvements performance wise for you and would be great in the snow with the right tires.

The Tesla is pretty bad ass, my boss has one and he put a charging station at the office as well. I don't think you can really go wrong with it. To me the interior styling is a little bit bland, but maybe that's just because his car has a beige interior. . . It probably looks way better in any other color setup.

I don't know if Tesla still requires a deposit for a test drive or not anymore, but I'm sure you can get into a 650i and/or a 550i and see if the performance boost is enough for you.

All 4 of the cars now mentioned should be a notable difference for ya.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by Carbonm3ny

Thanks for the respond.

i do drive about 120 miles a day 3-4 times a week. My job actually have a tesla charger in our parking lot so charging will not be an issue. Im looking for similar or close to similar performance in acceleration, handling and comfort as an M5 with the tesla minus the fuel cost.

Only reason im comparing to an M5 is because i think its the next logical upgrade from my 535 now.

based on both your response, is the highway performance (passing power am assuming) really bad?

No, the highway performance is definitely not bad, you'll still have about 300-400 hp from 50-75mph in the P85D. It's just not as strong as the fire breathing Germans up at those speeds. And at 120miles with a charging station the Tesla sounds like a good bet.

[zer0cool]

P85d or 90d (might as well get p90d now since it's just 3k more) easily outperforms M5 under pretty much all regular driving conditions.

In fact regular 85d or 90d will feel as fast as M5 on full throttle and most aggressive gear response in street driving conditions. The regular 85/90d's do 0-60 in just about 4 seconds and have AWD and get full torque immediately, so the acceleration is easily done and reproducible under regular driving conditions. The M5's 3.7 secs requires perfect traction and launch control, which for most intents and purposes is a gimmick since you never really get to use it when you want to. In reality, under regular street driving the 85/90ds will be and feel faster than M5. However M5 begins to pull harder beyond 60mph. So say on a 6x to say 90 acceleration on the high way, M5 will feel much more powerful compare to a non-p 85/90d. The non-p 85/90d still feels pretty damn fast on a 6x-90 acceleration tho... compared to most cars.

The P85/90Ds will feel much faster than M5 at the start, and be able to keep up to it longer at higher speeds, basically under all reasonable speeds on US roads (but still M5 will be faster, pull harder at say very high speeds that are unreasonable speeds on US roads). Passing on the high way, say punching from 65 to 90 to pass is not an issue at all for P85/90d... they are faster than almost every car on the road, and only surpassed by super high HP cars like M5 at the high end of those speeds. Remember they run 11.8 secs to quarter mile at 114mph... so still very very strong at highway speeds. If you choose to get the L upgrade with the new 90D's, then that would easily outperform M5 under all non-track conditions as it pulls a 10.9 quarter mile at totally illegal speeds (of course 114 was very illegal as well).

The M5 does have better interior and audio. The Model S has much better tech and more space. Both cars handle really well, probably M5 is better but you really can't reach those differing limits unless you are tracking or driving like crazy on curves.

If you ve got home and work charger, and don't drive crazy long distances, I would say Model S. However if you drive very long distances frequently and actually have to stop somewhere to charge frequently, then I would say M5.

If you do drive fairly long distances, you do end up saying thousands on gas with the model S.

Go test drive a Model S, it's an amazing car. Also assuming autopilot comes out this month, you ll be able to autopilot on your 120m highway drive... just set adaptive cruise to 75, then relax, and be at your exit as you listen to music haha. Given your long drives, I think this will be invaluable.

[overcoil]

Would spend a few minutes reading through ISSUES at the TESLAMOTORSCLUB.COM forum.

[M5Beast_NYC]

Originally Posted by ScottSinger

Would spend a few minutes reading through ISSUES at the TESLAMOTORSCLUB.COM forum.

Thats a good point. I gotta check out the nearest service center to me.

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by ScottSinger

Would spend a few minutes reading through ISSUES at the TESLAMOTORSCLUB.COM forum.

This and this:

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...e-691-hp-.html

[zer0cool]

Originally Posted by Carbonm3ny

Thats a good point. I gotta check out the nearest service center to me.

Ya, make sure you do have a service center nearby. BTW, you are bound to see many problems on any car forums... e.g. look at this forum and see how many serious issues (e.g. drive train malfunctions) on fairly new M3/4s... people generally report problems instead of reporting no problems on their cars.

Also you might want to ask this same question on the Tesla forum since many owners owned/still own BMWs and Porsches. So their opinions would be good to hear.

Overall, both are expensive and great cars. At the end the decision may be an emotional one, and both are good choices. So really a matter of personal taste.

[M5Beast_NYC]

Originally Posted by zer0cool

Ya, make sure you do have a service center nearby. BTW, you are bound to see many problems on any car forums... e.g. look at this forum and see how many serious issues (e.g. drive train malfunctions) on fairly new M3/4s... people generally report problems instead of reporting no problems on their cars.

Also you might want to ask this same question on the Tesla forum since many owners owned/still own BMWs and Porsches. So their opinions would be good to hear.

Overall, both are expensive and great cars. At the end the decision may be an emotional one, and both are good choices. So really a matter of personal taste.

We said! And I agree with a lot of your points. Ive been on many different forums from different brands and I know the negatives speaks louder than the positive. Im open minded about this kind of stuff.

One thing I did gather from this thread is that comparing the tesla to an M5 is not apples to apples.. pricewise maybe but in terms of performance its not. I think at this point, I would just have to do a testdrive and see what i like more. The thing that bother me the most about tesla is the seats. I know the next gen seats are coming and looks much supportive and attractive. I might hold off until that comes out more on all tesla model S at the pre-owned markets.

[MalibuBimmer]

I've read on the Tesla forum that the 691 HP promised by Tesla is a promise based on future battery development.

While the new S P85D comes with two electric motors capable of delivering all that HP, the batteries as they are currently configured can't. Maybe some day with new batteries.

When Tesla was called to account on this, Tesla said "It's complicated." And then went into a song and dance on how the motors really were as powerful as advertised, even if you couldn't get access to that last 100 HP.

Imagine Mercedes offering a car with 600 HP and not bothering to tell you that it will only deliver that HP with 115 octane gasoline.

[freiord]

I would go with M5, but Tesla has his advantages.
If you don't use your car for long distances, maybe Tesla is the best one.

[YWGT3]

If you're into driving and handling, then the BMW M5 is worthy of consideration. But if you're into stoplight sprinting and lower fuel/energy consumption, the Tesla makes more sense. However, the Tesla I test drove felt too utilitarian and lacking in handling in comparison to other sports sedans, such as the M5. If Tesla would have paid more attention to the coachwork and in the handling department of its vehicles, then the Tesla S would unequivocally be the car of my choice.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by MalibuBimmer

I've read on the Tesla forum that the 691 HP promised by Tesla is a promise based on future battery development.

While the new S P85D comes with two electric motors capable of delivering all that HP, the batteries as they are currently configured can't. Maybe some day with new batteries.

When Tesla was called to account on this, Tesla said "It's complicated." And then went into a song and dance on how the motors really were as powerful as advertised, even if you couldn't get access to that last 100 HP.

Imagine Mercedes offering a car with 600 HP and not bothering to tell you that it will only deliver that HP with 115 octane gasoline.

I'm far from a Tesla fanboy, but I guess the real question is does it matter? If you aren't entering it in a dyno competition who cares? What most people care about is the performance figures, which we know are there and easily replicated. It's not Tesla are saying it's capable of 0-60 in 3 seconds but really takes 6.

[MalibuBimmer]

Originally Posted by fcman

I'm far from a Tesla fanboy, but I guess the real question is does it matter? If you aren't entering it in a dyno competition who cares? What most people care about is the performance figures, which we know are there and easily replicated. It's not Tesla are saying it's capable of 0-60 in 3 seconds but really takes 6.

I agree that it's probably not that important. But that leads to the question -- why would Tesla claim 661 HP if it wasn't that important?

Misrepresentation is misrepresentation. Obviously someone at Tesla thought it was important and that it mattered. And then basically lied about it.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by MalibuBimmer

I agree that it's probably not that important. But that leads to the question -- why would Tesla claim 661 HP if it wasn't that important?

Misrepresentation is misrepresentation. Obviously someone at Tesla thought it was important and that it mattered. And then basically lied about it.

Yeah, good point. But it's hard to believe they would be intentionally deceptive, I would expect them to realize that a lie like that would be caught quickly once people start getting the cars on dynos. I did just find a huge thread on their forums about the P85D performance issues. Pretty interesting to see what owners have to say

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by fcman

Yeah, good point. But it's hard to believe they would be intentionally deceptive, I would expect them to realize that a lie like that would be caught quickly once people start getting the cars on dynos.

Actually it's hard to believe it was anything other than intentional. Most people that own Teslas seem to look past shortcomings and they don't sell that many so risk of being exposed is fairly low (compared to say VW that got away with fraud on millions of diesel cars for many years). What percentage of people put their cars on a dyno? Has to be well under 1%. The Model S also doesn't appear in many head-to-head auto magazine comparisons so limited exposure there. They must have measured themselves and known of the discrepancy.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

Actually it's hard to believe it was anything other than intentional. Most people that own Teslas seem to look past shortcomings and they don't sell that many so risk of being exposed is fairly low (compared to say VW that got away with fraud on millions of diesel cars for many years). What percentage of people put their cars on a dyno? Has to be well under 1%. The Model S also doesn't appear in many head-to-head auto magazine comparisons so limited exposure there. They must have measured themselves and known of the discrepancy.

Eh, I would say this ~160 page thread would indicate that Tesla owners DO care. And it only takes 1 dyno post to get people worried.

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showt...it-Up-to-691HP

[Donger Kim]

Gas is at an all time low since the past few years, M5

[M5Beast_NYC]

Originally Posted by Donger Kim

Gas is at an all time low since the past few years, M5

Was thinking the same thing... but we dont know what the future holds thought. Hope fuel cost stays low.