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So if I want to buy an electric car why does it have to not look like a normal car??
Because it's not a normal car . And doesn't cost the same as a normal car.....
We are at a point in time where the normal car (ICE ) are becoming more expensive to produce than a standard Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV). Rapid battery prices dropping will eventually lead to a disruption for the entire car industry.
Very true,

But currently their still holding a premium as they don't sell in huge numbers so their more expensive to produce currently just because of Amortization numbers. The tech is cheap vs a ice but the product as a whole has to sell similar to ice numbers to make them Main stream. That's why when they make an e-golf and e-smart those are a little cheaper for the manufacturer to produce as they share many parts.

Now however much the company wants to charge the customer is up for grabs.


The i3 engine new is only $1500 bucks and the i3 transmission is only $400, now that rocks compared to my N55 which can be north of $20k to replace!

But overall what really has me scratching my head is that currently theirs only so much lithium as a rare earth material currently their is only so much........much less than petroleum.

I remember reading if demand got so large and their where 100 giga factories made around the world we would run out in 16 years.

Of course theirs other options but with semi trucks starting to join the fold they require lots more batteries than cars and once the world changes and the EV becomes dominate I wonder how many years we will have before we have to go hydrogen or something!
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Not bad. Has a if BMW made the Tesla Model S vibe.

Shocked to see they really went and filled in the "kidneys". Even though they sort of did the same on the i3 and i8, they aren't the "mainstream" market I think.
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Now, that's a tesla killer!
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If only 'normal' cars did look like this!!!
Now just wait until these, the Mission Es and whatever equivalent Benz and Audi are cooking start showing up in numbers. Your "normal" car will look and feel stone age very quickly. The Teslas already have some of that effect in my hood where they are plentiful.
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Now, that's a tesla killer!
I know you love your cars but not exactly because it is not even out yet !
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Now, that's a tesla killer!
I know you love your cars but not exactly because it is not even out yet !
Wow now that is a nice looking car!!!
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This looks absolutely terrible. I'd never drive a car that looks like that.
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Bland doesn't begin to describe this abomination.
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What's with BMW and concept cars, all promise no delivery (this car will be in production after 2021??? Maybe??? Tesla, Mercedes and everyone else will be on their next gen by then). I'm sticking with my M4. Bring on the new AWD system and get me close to 3.0secs flat in the next generation and life will be good.
Agree with you 100%. Would be funny if this is the next electric M3 though lol.
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Looks great! This would definitely go head to head with the Model 3.

So is this supposed to preview the shape and some design cues for the new 3 series?
But by 2021 it will be just 3 years late
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Well, it looks better than the i3, I'll tell ya that
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So if I want to buy an electric car why does it have to not look like a normal car??
Because it's not a normal car . And doesn't cost the same as a normal car.....
We are at a point in time where the normal car (ICE ) are becoming more expensive to produce than a standard Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV). Rapid battery prices dropping will eventually lead to a disruption for the entire car industry.
Very true,

But currently their still holding a premium as they don't sell in huge numbers so their more expensive to produce currently just because of Amortization numbers. The tech is cheap vs a ice but the product as a whole has to sell similar to ice numbers to make them Main stream. That's why when they make an e-golf and e-smart those are a little cheaper for the manufacturer to produce as they share many parts.

Now however much the company wants to charge the customer is up for grabs.


The i3 engine new is only $1500 bucks and the i3 transmission is only $400, now that rocks compared to my N55 which can be north of $20k to replace!

But overall what really has me scratching my head is that currently theirs only so much lithium as a rare earth material currently their is only so much........much less than petroleum.

I remember reading if demand got so large and their where 100 giga factories made around the world we would run out in 16 years.

Of course theirs other options but with semi trucks starting to join the fold they require lots more batteries than cars and once the world changes and the EV becomes dominate I wonder how many years we will have before we have to go hydrogen or something!
There are other metal beeing used as well, more effective. The battery tech is moving forward fast.
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So if I want to buy an electric car why does it have to not look like a normal car??
Because it's not a normal car . And doesn't cost the same as a normal car.....
We are at a point in time where the normal car (ICE ) are becoming more expensive to produce than a standard Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV). Rapid battery prices dropping will eventually lead to a disruption for the entire car industry.
Very true,

But currently their still holding a premium as they don't sell in huge numbers so their more expensive to produce currently just because of Amortization numbers. The tech is cheap vs a ice but the product as a whole has to sell similar to ice numbers to make them Main stream. That's why when they make an e-golf and e-smart those are a little cheaper for the manufacturer to produce as they share many parts.

Now however much the company wants to charge the customer is up for grabs.


The i3 engine new is only $1500 bucks and the i3 transmission is only $400, now that rocks compared to my N55 which can be north of $20k to replace!

But overall what really has me scratching my head is that currently theirs only so much lithium as a rare earth material currently their is only so much........much less than petroleum.

I remember reading if demand got so large and their where 100 giga factories made around the world we would run out in 16 years.

Of course theirs other options but with semi trucks starting to join the fold they require lots more batteries than cars and once the world changes and the EV becomes dominate I wonder how many years we will have before we have to go hydrogen or something!
By this time next year there will be a much better price point and even more battery makers in the market.
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So if I want to buy an electric car why does it have to not look like a normal car??
Because it's not a normal car . And doesn't cost the same as a normal car.....
We are at a point in time where the normal car (ICE ) are becoming more expensive to produce than a standard Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV). Rapid battery prices dropping will eventually lead to a disruption for the entire car industry.
Very true,

But currently their still holding a premium as they don't sell in huge numbers so their more expensive to produce currently just because of Amortization numbers. The tech is cheap vs a ice but the product as a whole has to sell similar to ice numbers to make them Main stream. That's why when they make an e-golf and e-smart those are a little cheaper for the manufacturer to produce as they share many parts.

Now however much the company wants to charge the customer is up for grabs.


The i3 engine new is only $1500 bucks and the i3 transmission is only $400, now that rocks compared to my N55 which can be north of $20k to replace!

But overall what really has me scratching my head is that currently theirs only so much lithium as a rare earth material currently their is only so much........much less than petroleum.

I remember reading if demand got so large and their where 100 giga factories made around the world we would run out in 16 years.

Of course theirs other options but with semi trucks starting to join the fold they require lots more batteries than cars and once the world changes and the EV becomes dominate I wonder how many years we will have before we have to go hydrogen or something!
By this time next year there will be a much better price point and even more battery makers in the market.
That's the beauty of tech, I design cars for a living it's a great job, though as an industrial designer or "stylist" it does have its headaches.... theirs always tech we want to use but the platform won't pay for it but every day it gets cheaper and cheaper as the days pass. Not to long ago it was to expensive to do an all LED headlight for our vehicles or full digital displays (that was reserved for just premium vehicles) and now that's exactly what we get to do now as the price has fallen and now has become a true viable option.

Battery tech is no different.

It's getting more and more exciting as the days pass and more options are on the table.
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So if I want to buy an electric car why does it have to not look like a normal car??
Because it's not a normal car . And doesn't cost the same as a normal car.....
We are at a point in time where the normal car (ICE ) are becoming more expensive to produce than a standard Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV). Rapid battery prices dropping will eventually lead to a disruption for the entire car industry.
Very true,

But currently their still holding a premium as they don't sell in huge numbers so their more expensive to produce currently just because of Amortization numbers. The tech is cheap vs a ice but the product as a whole has to sell similar to ice numbers to make them Main stream. That's why when they make an e-golf and e-smart those are a little cheaper for the manufacturer to produce as they share many parts.

Now however much the company wants to charge the customer is up for grabs.


The i3 engine new is only $1500 bucks and the i3 transmission is only $400, now that rocks compared to my N55 which can be north of $20k to replace!

But overall what really has me scratching my head is that currently theirs only so much lithium as a rare earth material currently their is only so much........much less than petroleum.

I remember reading if demand got so large and their where 100 giga factories made around the world we would run out in 16 years.

Of course theirs other options but with semi trucks starting to join the fold they require lots more batteries than cars and once the world changes and the EV becomes dominate I wonder how many years we will have before we have to go hydrogen or something!
By this time next year there will be a much better price point and even more battery makers in the market.
That's the beauty of tech, I design cars for a living it's a great job, though as an industrial designer or "stylist" it does have its headaches.... theirs always tech we want to use but the platform won't pay for it but every day it gets cheaper and cheaper as the days pass. Not to long ago it was to expensive to do an all LED headlight for our vehicles or full digital displays (that was reserved for just premium vehicles) and now that's exactly what we get to do now as the price has fallen and now has become a true viable option.

Battery tech is no different.

It's getting more and more exciting as the days pass and more options are on the table.
Absolutely!

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To me this new BMW i concept slots in between the existing Teslas and the Porsche concept in desirability and with that things are just as they should be. Congrats to a good come back BMW, now just get the thing out of the door. If the kidneys get scraped off in the push, even better
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Now just wait until these, the Mission Es and whatever equivalent Benz and Audi are cooking start showing up in numbers. Your "normal" car will look and feel stone age very quickly. The Teslas already have some of that effect in my hood where they are plentiful.
The teslas and etron look great bc they don't deviate so much on purpose.

This thing looks like r2d2 lol
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I like this. BMW should have a distinct design language for their all "i" cars.
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