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      09-22-2015, 04:33 PM   #23
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This is up there. I still prefer the E60. same weight with 107 more HP? Yes please however, the styling of the e39 is just classical. Love seeing it on the road to this day.
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This is up there. I still prefer the E60. same weight with 107 more HP? Yes please however, the styling of the e39 is just classical. Love seeing it on the road to this day.
If you have not driven both, the power delivery is so different. The S85 engine in the E60 M5 is a future classic to be sure. However, it delivers a marginal increase in torque at a much higher RPM, rendering it more like the S54 in my M coupe. In daily driving, the extra horsepower and torque cannot be enjoyed. I drove both the SMG and 6-speed versions of the E60 M5 extensively. The SMG fits the engine better, but I still longed for a manual. The main reason I skipped the E60 was that when I was really enjoying it I was in danger of going to jail. Seriously - over 5000 RPM the engine and driving is nothing short of epic. I wanted everyone to get out of my way so I could enjoy the car. In daily driving, well, not so much. That plus the prospect of owning a V-10 out of warranty (I keep my cars for a long time) convinced me to wait.

Interestingly, the E39 was a break in the traditional M style of producing engines with modest low-down torque and high horsepower...until the current F8X. A BMW hotrod, at least at the time.

Anyway, I'm keeping the E39 (and Z4M coupe) and will be adding a modern M car soon - the M2 or M3 LCI...not sure yet.
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      09-23-2015, 12:17 PM   #25
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If you have not driven both, the power delivery is so different. The S85 engine in the E60 M5 is a future classic to be sure. However, it delivers a marginal increase in torque at a much higher RPM, rendering it more like the S54 in my M coupe. In daily driving, the extra horsepower and torque cannot be enjoyed. I drove both the SMG and 6-speed versions of the E60 M5 extensively. The SMG fits the engine better, but I still longed for a manual. The main reason I skipped the E60 was that when I was really enjoying it I was in danger of going to jail. Seriously - over 5000 RPM the engine and driving is nothing short of epic. I wanted everyone to get out of my way so I could enjoy the car. In daily driving, well, not so much. That plus the prospect of owning a V-10 out of warranty (I keep my cars for a long time) convinced me to wait.

Interestingly, the E39 was a break in the traditional M style of producing engines with modest low-down torque and high horsepower...until the current F8X. A BMW hotrod, at least at the time.

Anyway, I'm keeping the E39 (and Z4M coupe) and will be adding a modern M car soon - the M2 or M3 LCI...not sure yet.
Agreed - same with the e39 540 and e60 550. I own both and due to its power delivery, the 540 is more fun on a day to day basis. You really need to rev up the 550 to feel power and by then you're going way over the speed limit.
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So classy So classic- makes me want to go hug my E46 ZHP- I think I will... back in a minute
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      09-24-2015, 06:27 AM   #27
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That chassis testing video was painful to watch!

e39M is a strange car, imo. It makes an awesome daily, precisely because it's the least "M" of the M cars, prior to the F10/F8X. Easy, comfortable speed. And simple enough that they're pretty bullet proof if you don't mod them overly much. I do find the e39's reputation strange, though, precisely because it's so not "M". The e28, e34, and e60 have high specfic output engines that need to be revved to be fast. They're what an "M" car should be. The e39m is torquey and low specific output. Torque makes things boring and uninvolving, when you're really trying to work a car over. Strangely, I think the car that BMW has made that drives the most similarly to the e39m is the F80 M3. Similar dimensions as well (F80 is larger, e39 is heavier), as well as similarly shitty steering feel (reticulating ball in the e39m isn't great, though still WAY better than the F8X's EPS... 6 cylinder e39's got R&P which was much better), in addition to the similar power delivery (though the F8X has more, e39 is lag free).

I love driving mine, 80-150 miles, every day. Perfect "beater" (daily) to keep the e46 nice. Largely because it's so completely unlike the e46m, making them very different and distinct experiences. The e46 is loud, stiff, revvy and INVOLVING-- a reliable/practical/well made early/mid 90s exotic, in driving experience. Everything the e39m isn't, for good and bad.

I don't actually think there's a period in which the M3 and M5 were more different than e46/e39. Now I just need to add a V12 e38 for my limo having needs



... seriously is my next car... Mostly because I want to have a V12 in my fleet before they're all gone, and it's the only one in my price range that I'd like to own.
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      09-25-2015, 07:49 AM   #28
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Love that vid. One of the best interiors ever, with nav nicely integrated, not like a loose tablet thrown on top.
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