[Dleo]

truley a sad day...

my familys thoughts and prayers are with the victims family and friends...

[s4iscool]

Originally Posted by Raider

that's a terrible idea

i think hes saying that if an individual had legally been carrying a firearm, this could have ended MUCH sooner and with less bloodshed this is EXACTLY the kind of situation where legally concealed weapons can make a difference. By no means am I a NRA member, but I can see both sides of the argument on gun control

[Raider]

Originally Posted by s4iscool

i think hes saying that if an individual had legally been carrying a firearm, this could have ended MUCH sooner and with less bloodshed this is EXACTLY the kind of situation where legally concealed weapons can make a difference. By no means am I a NRA member, but I can see both sides of the argument on gun control

so what you guys are saying is that EVERYONE should be allowed to bear arms in class for situations like this? i don't agree at all...10 years on the streets i've never seen a gun save a life...

[s4iscool]

how do you twist my "individual" comment into claiming that "EVERYONE" should be allowed? EVERYONE that is a citizen (depending on state laws) IS ALREADY allowed to bear arms if the follow the LEGAL procedures for obtaining a license.

[TiAg335i]

Uh..32 people have been killed.

[Scottz71]

Folks...no death is a 'win situation.' Whether the idiot attacker killed someone or he got killed first...30+ deaths is even more tragic...

I went to Va Tech, and granted I left Blacksburg in '96, it was a quiet place then, and proably was now (until today)...now it will not be remembered for good football, a beautiful campus, and an affordable/great education, but as the place where so many people died...

SO...let's please be respectful...this isn't about us today...it's about the people who are having the worst or last day of their lives.

[Raider]

Originally Posted by s4iscool

how do you twist my "individual" comment into claiming that "EVERYONE" should be allowed? EVERYONE that is a citizen (depending on state laws) IS ALREADY allowed to bear arms if the follow the LEGAL procedures for obtaining a license.

you mention that if only a student or prof had been armed...

so what if ALL of them wanted to carry guns, how are you gonna justify who has the right to bear arms and who doesn't? imagine the chaos and violence it would provoke...and lead to more shooting...

[Scottz71]

Originally Posted by Raider

you mention that if only a student or prof had been armed...

so what if ALL of them wanted to carry guns, how are you gonna justify who has the right to bear arms and who doesn't? imagine the chaos and violence it would provoke...and lead to more shooting...

I'm with Raider -- violence begets more violence...our country is slowly sinking into a dark place due to people who feel like violence and hate is the only way out for them...it is not just guns...it's what peope say, how they act, and how they treat this planet...

No one respects anything anymore...everything is money, sex, money, power...blah, blah, blah...I wish news would be good once in a while...

[s4iscool]

Originally Posted by Raider

you mention that if only a student or prof had been armed...

so what if ALL of them wanted to carry guns, how are you gonna justify who has the right to bear arms and who doesn't? imagine the chaos and violence it would provoke...and lead to more shooting...

Hey, youre barking up the wrong tree. I didnt write the contitution, nor do I have any influence on Virginia State gun laws (which may or may not allow concealed weapons). Hate to break it to you, but many people DO carry a gun everyday, and they do it legally. Welcome to the USA. Let me tell you, IMO, it would have been a fact that less than 32 people would have died if only even one brave person with a gun took action. So in this case, YES, a gun could have saved lives.

[spydrz]

Originally Posted by s4iscool

Hey, youre barking up the wrong tree. I didnt write the contitution, nor do I have any influence on Virginia State gun laws (which may or may not allow concealed weapons). Hate to break it to you, but many people DO carry a gun everyday, and they do it legally. Welcome to the USA. Let me tell you, IMO, it would have been a fact that less than 32 people would have died if only even one brave person with a gun took action. So in this case, YES, a gun could have saved lives.

Exactly.

[Scottz71]

Originally Posted by s4iscool

Hey, youre barking up the wrong tree. I didnt write the contitution, nor do I have any influence on Virginia State gun laws (which may or may not allow concealed weapons). Hate to break it to you, but many people DO carry a gun everyday, and they do it legally. Welcome to the USA. Let me tell you, IMO, it would have been a fact that less than 32 people would have died if only even one brave person with a gun took action. So in this case, YES, a gun could have saved lives.

FYI -- Virginia HAS concealment laws, and allows persons with conceal and carry permits...but does not allow the unlawful discharge of a firearm. SO -- the same 'hero' that saved some lives would also go to jail for manslaughter or murder...what is the incentive for anyone to play hero in today's world?? The media would pick them apart too...

The whole point here is...it's a quaint college campus -- HOW MANY 18 to 22 yr old ARE CARRY GUNS TO CLASS!!!!!!

Answer -NONE...so no one has an opportunity to be a hero...

[spydrz]

Originally Posted by Scottz71

FYI -- Virginia HAS concealment laws, and allows persons with conceal and carry permits...but does not allow the unlawful discharge of a firearm. SO -- the same 'hero' that saved some lives would also go to jail for manslaughter or murder...what is the incentive for anyone to play hero in today's world?? The media would pick them apart too...

The whole point here is...it's a quaint college campus -- HOW MANY 18 to 22 yr old ARE CARRY GUNS TO CLASS!!!!!!

Answer -NONE...so no one has an opportunity to be a hero...

That's why maybe this should change...although in today's academia, people aren't supposed to protect themselves.

[s4iscool]

Again, you dont know if students or university employees DO in fact carry a concealed gun, I wouldnt be so sure that its "NONE" as you claim. We just dont know that, and you cant state it as fact. Also, you show me ONE prosecutor that would put a "hero" on trial for shooting down this killer in this EXACT scenario.

[Raider]

Originally Posted by s4iscool

Hey, youre barking up the wrong tree. I didnt write the contitution, nor do I have any influence on Virginia State gun laws (which may or may not allow concealed weapons). Hate to break it to you, but many people DO carry a gun everyday, and they do it legally. Welcome to the USA. Let me tell you, IMO, it would have been a fact that less than 32 people would have died if only even one brave person with a gun took action. So in this case, YES, a gun could have saved lives.

people carry guns on the streets walking dark alleys to protect themselves...

when would you ever think you need a gun for a classroom... yes today is a tragedy, and it happens very rarely.

now, if people were to legally bring guns to class rooms, shootings like today would escalate into catastrophic proportions (not saying this incident isn't)...

i would totally agree with you, if you only mention the professor being able to arm himself...with the right health conditions and mental stability, but no one, under any circumstances, should a student be allowed to carry guns...

this is Virginia Tech, one of the best school in Virginia, it's not Southeast D.C

[Scottz71]

This is just another black mark on our country...

So..anyone have good news? Cure for cancer? Contact with alien life forms? Create cold fusion? Solve the western lust for crude oil?

Come'on there gotta be some smart people on this forum.

[SteveMD]

Originally Posted by 1stnewcar

Yet again, glad we don't allow guns.

Umm...you don't allow guns for law abiding citizens. The criminals don't give a toss. Here, 10 seconds of googling:

Gun crime soars by 35% (From 2003)

Gun crime has risen by 35% in a year, new Home Office figures show.
There were 9,974 incidents involving firearms in the 12 months to April 2002 - a rise from 7,362 over the previous year.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2640817.stm

[spydrz]

Originally Posted by SteveMD

Umm...you don't allow guns for law abiding citizens. The criminals don't give a toss. Here, 10 seconds of googling:

Gun crime soars by 35% (From 2003)

Gun crime has risen by 35% in a year, new Home Office figures show.
There were 9,974 incidents involving firearms in the 12 months to April 2002 - a rise from 7,362 over the previous year.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2640817.stm

I was going to point this out...thanks for doing it. I'm sure criminals will always be able to find guns and nobody can do anything about it; even with all the CCTV in the UK.

[Scottz71]

There is also no logical argument FOR or AGAINST random people having guns...it is all situational and contextual at best. Some people NEED them, some people WANT them, some should never HAVE them (but do).

The only fix for any form of violence is change...and that starts with all of us. Whether we're in the inner city or not. At some point in our lives we're all going to be affected by something...and it's up to us to take it in the right direction...not the wrong one like the shooter did today...

[s4iscool]

Why are you putting so much importance on whether a legal gun owner is a student or professor? A student could be 16, 18, 25, 30, 35 years old, it doesnt make a difference. Im not advocating the notion that EVERY student in the class have a firearm, absolutely not. I am very aware of the environment at VT, and I agree that it is a beautiful serene campus. My only point was that if a SINGLE person had a concealed weapon, and were brave enough to use it, this could have ended with less bloodshed. I have never said that class rooms should be the wild west as you have implied. Regardless, it was senseless, nothing good comes of it, and it only reflects on our society as a whole.

Originally Posted by Raider

people carry guns on the streets walking dark alleys to protect themselves...

when would you ever think you need a gun for a classroom... yes today is a tragedy, and it happens very rarely.

now, if people were to legally bring guns to class rooms, shootings like today would escalate into catastrophic proportions (not saying this incident isn't)...

i would totally agree with you, if you only mention the professor being able to arm himself...with the right health conditions and mental stability, but no one, under any circumstances, should a student be allowed to carry guns...

this is Virginia Tech, one of the best school in Virginia, it's not Southeast D.C

[Viral]

Originally Posted by Kiemyster

WHATTTT thats crazy. thats. just... damn, i dont knwo what to say. thats pretty horrifying.

*thinks* the shooters better not have BMW's. thats only more of a reason for the rest of the world (jelous mother #$@%$#ers) hates us.

this is the most IGNORANT comment I've probably ever heard (and I've heard LOTS of them).

You're worried about what brand of car the shooter owns at a time like this??? You ignorant fuck.........YOU (not the shooter) give BMW owners a bad name asshole

My condolences go out to those who lost their loved ones......

[Raider]

Originally Posted by s4iscool

Why are you putting so much importance on whether a legal gun owner is a student or professor? A student could be 16, 18, 25, 30, 35 years old, it doesnt make a difference. Im not advocating the notion that EVERY student in the class have a firearm, absolutely not. I am very aware of the environment at VT, and I agree that it is a beautiful serene campus. My only point was that if a SINGLE person had a concealed weapon, and were brave enough to use it, this could have ended with less bloodshed. I have never said that class rooms should be the wild west as you have implied. Regardless, it was senseless, nothing good comes of it, and it only reflects on our society as a whole.

Okay, perhaps i misunderstand your initial post...that seems to be the case...

i understand what you are trying to say, if someone had been armed in class then the shooter might've been brought to justice earlier...

but, let's take into account that not all of us have hawkeye vision, and in a state of chaos such as shootings in a classroom, can you maintain your cool and focus on the gunman while your class mates are running around in panic? it might even urge the gunman to go buckwild and spray his oozie and you could end up getting killed, or you could even cause friendly fire to your class mates as well...

[Raider]

WTF was the dude carrying?

32 dead and like 20 or more are wounded...