[Viffermike]

It's out ... and Buick is the first domestic brand in some 30 years to crack the top 3. Chevy's on the upswing, too.

Some brands are in a downward spiral, too, Honda the big surprise among them. Subaru, VW, and (somewhat) Tesla, too. And not one, not two, but four Fiat Chrysler brands occupy the basement.

Most reliable car: Toyota Prius/Lexus CT 200h. Least reliable: Fiat 500L (followed by the Ford Fiesta).

(BMW, incidentally, is ninth, and once again the 2 Series is the most reliable of all BMW models.)

[ShocknAwe]

Not surprising at all that Honda is on a downward trend. They've been cutting quality on mechanical parts since eh, 2007 at least. It's catching up with them.

VW not a surprise either. They'll iron it out in a few years though, I think that's related to US market balance and chassis changes.

Still wouldn't buy a Buick.

Teslas are a bucket of crap and we all know it.

Toyota will continue to reign supreme. They'll take a drop when the BMW joint venture "Supra" finally comes out though.

[Efthreeoh]

Unfortunately CR doesn't know the singular vs. plural form of the word datum... LOL

[Germanauto]

I don't understand how Buick is higher rated than its GM cousins when literally every single model they produce is a badge-engineered version of another GM product either domestically or from abroad.

Regardless nobody will care because nobody would be caught dead in a Buick.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I don't understand how Buick is higher rated than its GM cousins when literally every single model they produce is a badge-engineered version of another GM product either domestically or from abroad.

Regardless nobody will care because nobody would be caught dead in a Buick.

Well... except the Chinese.

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I don't understand how Buick is higher rated than its GM cousins when literally every single model they produce is a badge-engineered version of another GM product either domestically or from abroad.

Regardless nobody will care because nobody would be caught dead in a Buick.

Given Buick is a granny brand I'd say quite a few people have been caught dead in a Buick. Or should we say Opel at this point.

[David70]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I don't understand how Buick is higher rated than its GM cousins when literally every single model they produce is a badge-engineered version of another GM product either domestically or from abroad.

Regardless nobody will care because nobody would be caught dead in a Buick.

Wrong, you are mistaking what you like for what everyone else likes.

YTD #18 out of 37 and ahead of Audi, Infiniti, Chrysler, Acura, ...

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2016/10...-2016-ytd.html

Also, often times when a company drops a few places on the list it isn't because their reliability went down but instead they didn't keep up with the others who improved.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by David70

Wrong, you are mistaking what you like for what everyone else likes.

YTD #18 out of 37 and ahead of Audi, Infiniti, Chrysler, Acura, ...

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2016/10...-2016-ytd.html

Also, often times when a company drops a few places on the list it isn't because their reliability went down but instead they didn't keep up with the others who improved.

I used to live in Michigan and have a lot of connections with GM employees...and they agree that Buicks are sold heavily to fleets and older folks in middle America, that's it!

[David70]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I used to live in Michigan and have a lot of connections with GM employees...and they agree that Buicks are sold heavily to fleets and older folks in middle America, that's it!

Volume is up from the same time period last year, reliability ratings are up, and old folks money is about a useful as everyone else's.

Buick's sales are up 1.2% YTD and BMW's are down 7.9% YTD.

[Taskmaster]

VW Gonna VW

[Viffermike]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I used to live in Michigan and have a lot of connections with GM employees...and they agree that Buicks are sold heavily to fleets and older folks in middle America, that's it!

Wrong.

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Given Buick is a granny brand I'd say quite a few people have been caught dead in a Buick. Or should we say Opel at this point.

Wrong.

In China, Buick is the status car to own among the middle and upper-middle class. Why? Partially because of what it represents to closed-minded thinkers such as you guys. Other parts of Asia look at Buicks the same way, as does parts of South America.

For that one reason, Buick has done more in the past five years or so to break out of the 'granny' stereotype than Cadillac has -- and Caddy's been trying to do it for nearly 20 years.

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by Viffermike

Wrong.



Wrong.

In China, Buick is the status car to own among the middle and upper-middle class. Why? Partially because of what it represents to closed-minded thinkers such as you guys. Other parts of Asia look at Buicks the same way, as does parts of South America.

For that one reason, Buick has done more in the past five years or so to break out of the 'granny' stereotype than Cadillac has -- and Caddy's been trying to do it for nearly 20 years.

Yes they have by joining forces with Opel. And we all know China and Japan are into some weird shit so that does not surprise me.

[Germanauto]

I don't see why some of you have a hard on for Buick. All their cars feel mediocre from inside, it's a GM parts bin special. They make a nice rental car that's all.

99/100 people under the age of 50 would opt for a stripped A3, CLA, or 320 over a comparably-priced Buick sedan; or a stripped Q3 or X1 over that Encore thing. I know I would. The only reason the brand still exists is b/c of China.

[Viffermike]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

The only reason the brand still exists is b/c of China.

Yep, pretty much. It lives, and Pontiac doesn't, precisely for that reason.

1.4 billion pretty much trumps 325 million every day of the week.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I don't see why some of you have a hard on for Buick. All their cars feel mediocre from inside, it's a GM parts bin special. They make a nice rental car that's all.

99/100 people under the age of 50 would opt for a stripped A3, CLA, or 320 over a comparably-priced Buick sedan; or a stripped Q3 or X1 over that Encore thing. I know I would. The only reason the brand still exists is b/c of China.

And a X3, 4-Series, and GT-Series, are not part bin specials of the 3-Series? And the X1 and 1 series are not part bin specials of Mini
Okay then...

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I don't see why some of you have a hard on for Buick. All their cars feel mediocre from inside, it's a GM parts bin special. They make a nice rental car that's all.

99/100 people under the age of 50 would opt for a stripped A3, CLA, or 320 over a comparably-priced Buick sedan; or a stripped Q3 or X1 over that Encore thing. I know I would. The only reason the brand still exists is b/c of China.

US Sales stats BMW and Buick. BMW is just getting hammered by Buick when looked at percent (%) change numbers:

[David70]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I don't see why some of you have a hard on for Buick. All their cars feel mediocre from inside, it's a GM parts bin special. They make a nice rental car that's all.

99/100 people under the age of 50 would opt for a stripped A3, CLA, or 320 over a comparably-priced Buick sedan; or a stripped Q3 or X1 over that Encore thing. I know I would. The only reason the brand still exists is b/c of China.

When you say "hard on for Buick" you mean posting the facts not the cars you prefer? I believe everything I posted was facts. Your's seems to be based on what you prefer.

Encore sales YTD - 56k
X1 YTD - 18k
Q3 YTD - 14k

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/12...s-figures.html

Your 99 to 1 ratio is just fantasy.

[Germanauto]

To the guy who is comparing BMW and Buick....the two brands don't even compete so your argument is null. Two entirely different brands targeting different customers.

To the guy who has a hard on for Buick's sales figures, be mindful that industry incentives are at their highest level since the recession. Buick makes mediocre vehicles, plain and simple. They only sell to (a) old folks in middle america, (b) fleets, and (c) people searching for a bargain.

Trolls.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

And a X3, 4-Series, and GT-Series, are not part bin specials of the 3-Series? And the X1 and 1 series are not part bin specials of Mini
Okay then...

That's the lamest excuse I've ever heard for GM's badge engineering.

[VRG_135]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

I don't understand how Buick is higher rated than its GM cousins when literally every single model they produce is a badge-engineered version of another GM product either domestically or from abroad.

Regardless nobody will care because nobody would be caught dead in a Buick.

I would get in one if they had another Grand National Regal type car.........

[Viffermike]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

To the guy who is comparing BMW and Buick....the two brands don't even compete so your argument is null. Two entirely different brands targeting different customers.

To the guy who has a hard on for Buick's sales figures, be mindful that industry incentives are at their highest level since the recession. Buick makes mediocre vehicles, plain and simple. They only sell to (a) old folks in middle america, (b) fleets, and (c) people searching for a bargain.

Trolls.

Good sir: Check the Posts and Rep(utation) numbers of Efthreeoh and I.

Now, check yours.

Who's the troll again?

#CantTaketheHeatGetOutoftheKitchen

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

That's the lamest excuse I've ever heard for GM's badge engineering.

Most of the industry has been "badge engineering" for over 60 years. It's a great way to make good, inexpensive cars, and grow market share. 10 years ago BMW was advertising that it doesn't share platforms between models because it is an engineering compromise. Now BMW is sharing platforms between BMW and Mini, and BMW and Rolls Royce. VW makes almost 30 models off of one platform. Porsche shares it's SUVs with VW platforms. So your crap about GM badge engineering is actually quite common within the industry and BMW is now just coming around to it.

But have fun keeping your head up your ass.