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Suggest you don't test drive an M135i or a 120/5d. By comparison, the way these cars go down the road may seriously cloud your view of the 116i
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the difference was wow... then i go tune 116d to 170hp and 433nm... first week was woooow... but then was only, what can i do to have extra 30hp or more still with 170hp i was driving like original 116hp, but i know when i need power i have it... almost similar is with 135i... car go very very nice in stock, but it always good to know when you have some extra hp
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If I was driving more on German Autobahns, I would feel the need for a stronger engine. I don't quite understand the argument with the Golf and the Mercedes. If you had 500 hp, there would be other cars with even more power to compare against. And if you happen to race a car, it is even more fun to win if you have less power than the other car! |
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As a driving instructor on tracks, I sometimes find myself in some rather quick cars. I remember a drive in the E92 M3 V8 made the 116i feel rather slow the next few laps... |
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On the "trusting" side: I have run a remapped E36 325i remapped E60 535d, remapped E91 335d and remapped WRX STI for a total of well over 300,000 miles without a hitch. The three turbo engines were pulling (on dyno) between 40 and 60 bhp over pre-mapping; the NA was much more moderate, at 15 BHP over. The cars were otherwise unmodded (excepting a couple of stupid things like a boot opening switch on the E60).
On the performance side: I think the answers from Pave Dew and Sootyvsr stand for me too. Plus, to be honest, I have found that properly done remapping not only increases power, but generally results in a (sometimes far) more driveable car in all circumstances. Last edited by oldmancoyote; 11-20-2014 at 08:19 AM.. |
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Agree with you on the "winning with less power", however there are some races you cannot win just with skill (and - I admit - I'd need far more skill to win some others; are you up for giving a fellow forumer a few lessons, if I ever make it to Stavanger?) |
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Yes, why not?
Mostly I am a passenger in other people's cars, giving advice. Sometimes I drive their cars, or bring them along in mine. The basic skills are the same for driving different cars. The fast ones reach a higher speed down the straights, and require a longer braking zone, but the corners are rather similar. Rookies usually learn faster in slower cars, since there is not so much power available to make up for mistakes made in the corners. In a fast car, you can do okay laptimes with sloppy driving (there are some nice Nissan GT-R examples on Youtube), but that is not possible with slow cars. |
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There will always be rookies out there with fast cars driving slowly, but the skilled ones in fast cars can't be beaten if you have a slower car. |
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Alas driving for 30+years and done numerous road trips, track days and car club events during that time, even with a tasty driver at the helm, knowing that it has <50% power of my road car, not for me I'm afraid. |
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When you haven't been on a track before, even a 116i can be scary! Sometimes I let rookie drivers in fast cars follow close behind the 116i for some laps at reduced pace, to show the ideal line. Then I go full speed to try to outpace them. |
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(BTW - one of the finest cars I have driven around a track remains the pre-2000 Lotus Elise: 120 bhp...) |
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Yes, had a similar exp at IoM TT course a long while back. This time I was trying to keep up with a Manx local on his courier m'cycle and I was a 1 litre sports bike. Really struggled to keep back of his bike in my sights !
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While I've never seen a horsepower I didn't like, I tend to agree with Ove. Now I understand it's different strokes for different folks, but for my M135 I would prioritise traction, then handling, then braking over power. A mechanical LSD would be great, but still a little too expensive to contemplate at the moment. IMHO, not much point adding more power if it's not possible to use what's already on tap effectively.
Handling, well...I've been down this path many times before, and know I could make the M135 handle really, really well. It already handles well....and I know from experience that additional suspension tuning will be at the expense of ride unless I go to an expensive coil over setup. Brakes? They're very effective out of the box, too....maybe a different compound pad (anyone tried anything new?) and fluid
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Agree 100% on making sure chassis can cope before turning up the wick under the bonnet. Hence why my car has LSD, springs, ARB's and TBH m135i std brakes hold up v well. I may upgrade lines, fluid and pads at some point in the future. Car still rides v well but much better planted. Rear stability and traction much improved esp with JB4 st2 Last edited by Bee Pee; 11-21-2014 at 06:15 AM.. |
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Bob - yep, regularly visit outlaws, who live between Anglesey circuit & Evo triangle in N Wales........
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Mind you - I suspect this is true of any "M" ("M performance" or "true" M) in stock form, never mind with any performance enhancing mods.
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Bob/OMC - suburban stop start traffic is why this m135i is my 1st auto ! BP
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I hear that, when I had to go from Whitehall to Bushey setting off at 14:00 I was driving my 320d e46 which was a manual. By the time I got home just after 17:00, my left leg was in tatters but on the plus side the clutch never grumbled which was impressive.
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