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Evolve E-sport for M135i - 282kw/576nm
Featured on BIMMERPOST.com Has anyone got experience with this tune from Evolve? They work together with Racechip but have their own settings for the M135i delivering an impressive 576nm. F20 M 135i 235kw/450nm -> 282kw/576Nm $ 1,586 Optional Throttle Module (Recommended) $ 389 Below measurements is at the wheels! Last edited by harkes; 08-04-2014 at 09:04 PM.. |
08-03-2014, 04:25 AM | #2 |
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I'm always a tad concerned when tuners do not include AFRs on their dyno charts. Many modern turbo cars run very lean and, AFAIK, none of the tuning boxes is able to modify fueling. Hence there is a real risk of the modified tune "leaning out", and damaging the engine. Heard of this affecting Audi/VW, and M-B models.
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08-03-2014, 04:30 AM | #3 |
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If the tuning box modifies the air mass sensor signal to tell the engine it is getting more air than it actually is, the engine management will increase the amount of injected fuel.
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08-03-2014, 06:56 AM | #4 |
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Ove, it was explained to me this way by a highly respected tuner here in Australia, at least in respect of the latest VW-Audi, and M-B turbo engines, which run very lean (almost lambda:1) AFRs. Given their similar fuel and emissions efficiency, I suspect this applies equally to BMW, but am happy to be corrected.
Many tuning boxes only connect to the boost sensors and RPM signal. Thus, the box works by intercepting the boost signal (actual) and telling the ECU that boost is considerably lower than what it actually is. The ECU sees this and requests more boost; it holds the wastegate shut to make the turbo work harder to achieve the requested boost. The car will make more boost, but the car will not add any fuel (as it thinks it cannot achieve stock boost), and it will only take drastic action when the EGT's (exhaust gas projected temperatures) hit critical points. Unfortunately by this stage it could be too late.
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08-03-2014, 09:00 AM | #6 |
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I am looking into getting this tune box.....have an aFe cold air intake going on and have ordered a Miltek exhaust system with Wagner dump. This one is top of my list...
But.. Keen to know more about fuel mix? ttimbo, you sound pretty sure with what you're saying? I find this concerning... Anyone know how much these tune kits increase boost by? In terms of a range? J |
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08-03-2014, 10:27 AM | #7 |
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I am currently on mail with Christian from evolve and have asked that exact question. Hope to get a reply on Monday. 576nm is by far the most torque I have seen from any box so I am curious as to how they achieve these results.
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08-03-2014, 12:17 PM | #8 |
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Those concerned should perhaps air their queries to tuners directly. Forums are great but opinions and facts can sometimes get mixed by people's perceptions.
I choose to run a jb4 on my m135i and know from n54tech website various parameters incl afr are either monitored for safeguarding and or can adjusted. IMHO, Jb4 all day long.but that's just me. |
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As I said, one of the important pieces of information that tuners need to share with their customers, in addition to the extent of the interface, is the AFR plot against the torque/power curves. Hitherto, it's been easy to achieve big gains through boost. But, with the much leaner mixes that these modern engines run on, simply doing this without also ensuring a commensurate increase in fueling heightens the risk of turbo/engine damage. For this reason, I won't fit any tuning box that is claiming massive gains unless there is very clear evidence that the box is able to affect fueling. This, to me, seems difficult to achieve without a full ECU interface. Most of the tune box tuners seem to lack transparency in this regard, simply offering platitudes.
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08-04-2014, 12:36 AM | #10 |
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...the RaceChip Ultimate (which the Evolve E-sport is based on) is 550euro = 790AUD - The E-sport is +1500AUD. Seems hard to justify, however the tweaks to the settings/software that Evolve claims to have made might be what matters most?
As mentioned above I am VERY puzzled by the fact that so few of the tuning companies I have found, publicly posts dyno charts... |
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08-04-2014, 02:19 AM | #11 |
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I've not seen any reviews of the E-sport tuning box here in Australia, either. Maybe others have seen something from RaceChip?
I agree with Pave Dew that typically forum tuning discussions get pretty mixed up, but I think tuners need to provide more data than simply a peak power claim, or 0-60mph/100kph time, and these forums at least provide some semblance of a clearing house for this data. |
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08-05-2014, 12:12 AM | #14 |
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Interesting chart, which confirms my concern to some extent. I'm ol' skool (not too old) so AFRs like this are, on first glance, terrifying. But so is the stock AFR plot. I wonder what a BMW tech would think? The chart also begs the question about exhaust gas temperatures (EGTs). I wonder if Evolve has a chart of these as well. If the tuned chart has higher EGTs (probably not all that much higher, actually) I'd be worried about the increased risk of turbo failure.
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Q&A from Christian Fitzgerald, Director @ Evolve Technik
Q: Is this really a product you have developed yourself - the product from RaceChip looks remarkably similar? A: We work with Racechip to develop the E-Sport Box. It however comes with our own predefined settings to suit each model. Q: How to delete error codes with this unit (like the attached I got with my JB4)? I still have warranty on the car. A: I am actually surprised you are seeing those codes as it is supposed to have a built in Error Deletion. This is why we do not sell them. Our unit is much simpler, in that it connected directly to each sensor rather than the ECU itself. It does not have a built in scan tool though as it does not connect to the canbus. We have seen this drivetrain error before of the occasional vehicle and it is generally caused by the box pushing the ECU’s built in limits too far, in this case we just dial the power back slightly to reduce the likeliness of the error re-occurring. Q: What is your return policy if I am not happy with the tune? A: We unfortunately do not offer any return policies on this product as it is hardware only and given it is adjustable we cannot warrant it. Mostly because there is nothing stopping clients from adjusting the settings beyond what we recommend and causing damage then just switching it back. Q: 576nm are huge numbers - at what psi is this achieved? A: As for the boost we unfortunately didn’t get the chance to map it whilst we did our dyno runs. Q: I have installed a ER catless downpipe and a BMS intake - will this cause problems? A: We have no solutions for Catless yet either. In fact we actually offer a Sports Catted DP which is high flow but also doesn’t throw the ECL. Q: If you dont use boost pressure as a parameter to judge whether a tune is safe/reliable or not, then what do you use? A: (I asked this question only yesterday so Ill update when Christian return with an answer) |
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Good questions. If you want to pursue the option further, you might want to ask about an EGT plot, too. If the response on that is along the same lines as for boost, then I'd be worried about whether and how Evolve is undertaking any custom work relative to RaceChip, and whether this tune box is (a) safe and (b) value for money. But much of this is me being very risk averse.
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08-11-2014, 06:32 AM | #17 |
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Evolve box installed on my car by Southern BM a few months ago. Good lift in performance, no downsides. Combined with MPerformance exhaust and Quaife LSD, the car is transformed. Who needs an M3 for double the price.
As to all the agonising over potential risks, AFR etc, it's Pretty simple really - rather than over analyse, if you don't like the sound of it, don't do it. |
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That app + a OBD II dongle can do magical things http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1021846
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I will not judge Evolve solely based on your experience though, but thanks for the info.
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I've got a feeling it would be a different Evolve...we are talking about Evolve Technik which is an Australian based company..
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09-07-2014, 08:48 AM | #22 |
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Hi guys,
I had Evolve tune a GTI I had a few years back. I flogged the crap out of it for 3 years post tune and the car never missed a beat. Can't say I have experience with the tune for the M135i they are offering, but from previous experience they seem okay. I haven't decided on what tune to run on my M135i at the moment but I wouldn't be worried about an evolve tune. |
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