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      05-26-2013, 01:31 PM   #23
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Also VW have a 4-year all-new product cycle P
Not all new by a long way, they just facelift heavily and call them different models.

The B7 Passat is exactly the same car as the B6 and that was launched in 2005.

The Mk5 and Mk6 Golf are virtually the same car too.

Small car platforms can run even longer. The PQ24 platform for the Polo/Fabia was launched in 1999 but it's still being sold today.

VAG are masters and changing front and rear ends with tweeked interiors and passing the cars off as new.

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No problem, the A3 is just a dressed up Golf without bringing real extra arguments. Play the Golf versus the BMW.

But seriously, I would play the 1.4Tsi 140hp Golf against the 116i, no? The 114i doesn't seem a serious proposition?
Currently we have a '10 plate 1.4 Golf. This is the only reason why I'm sticking with the 1.4 (I've owned 3 1.4s). Also in the 3 years we've owned the car it has only clocked 8900 miles which is why I'm leaning towards a 114i. Do you still think the 116i is worth it for such a low mileage? Thanks
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Currently we have a '10 plate 1.4 Golf. This is the only reason why I'm sticking with the 1.4 (I've owned 3 1.4s). Also in the 3 years we've owned the car it has only clocked 8900 miles which is why I'm leaning towards a 114i. Do you still think the 116i is worth it for such a low mileage? Thanks
the 114i isn't a 1.4 litre, it's a 1.6 litre!

the 116i, 118i, 120i and 125i are all 2.0 litre engines.
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Worth noting is that the basic engine Golfs (I think including the 1.4 TSI 122 PS) have a different, simpler rear suspension compared with the better engines. I think it's torsion beam versus multilink

Don't let the VW dealer fool you into taking a more powerful unit for a test drive to judge the handling if you are considering the lower powered ones.

Also, the BMW will hold its value better than the Golf. The TSI engines require servicing more frequently too (12 months). For me, the biggest deal breaker with the Golf is that the screen is a touchscreen and low down on the dash = difficult to control safely whilst on the move (try pressing an ipad on the move versus an I-Drive rotary dial.

Also VW have a 4-year all-new product cycle rather than BMW's 7 year cycle with a minor facelift (LCI) at year 4.

Then there's the badge... :P
I've had about 12 VWs so I don't test drive them now. I agree with the servicing, I never service any of my BMWs as before we got this car (F10 MY2013) they all had service intervals of 30000miles and I don't keep the car past 2-3 years (about 10000miles p/a). But the golf is in for servicing once or twice a year. I don't mind the touchscreen as its a massive upgrade from the MK6 (its like the interior upgrade from the E60 to F10 in my opinion). Also the product cycle is quite quick but then again I get rid of them quite quickly.

And yes! I don't see the point in paying the same or £10 or so less for a VW golf when I can have a BMW.. VWs are greater, don't get me wrong, but they aren't as refined as the BMW.

Thanks for your advice! I'm off to see my sales guy at BMW tomorrow, I'll update you with that tomorrow.
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the 114i isn't a 1.4 litre, it's a 1.6 litre!

the 116i, 118i, 120i and 125i are all 2.0 litre engines.
Seriously?! Would you still recommend the bigger engine 116i as the car won't be driven that much?
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Seriously?! Would you still recommend the bigger engine 116i as the car won't be driven that much?
In the f20/21 the 114i, 116i and 118i use the same 1.6 litre turbo petrol engine with 75, 100 and 125kw power outputs.
Driven the same they will all do vitually the same miles to the gallon. It's all down to purchase price v's power.
The 125i is a 2.0litre turbo, M135i is a 3.0litre turbo.

In the diesel cars the 114d and 116d ED versions are 1.6tdi, the 116d, 118d, 120d and 125d are all 2.0tdi but the 125d has two turbos.

If you are financing you may find a pcp on a 116i is only a little more than the 114i as the gvf is higher. As running cost are the same the little outlay is well worth it for the extra power

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the 114i isn't a 1.4 litre, it's a 1.6 litre!

the 116i, 118i, 120i and 125i are all 2.0 litre engines.
Nope, see post above.
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Nope, see post above.
I stand corrected

Driving a diesel I assumed it was the same with petrols (all but the 114 are 2 litres)

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It is as simple as this. We would all buy the BMW 1er, however this should be your wife's decision. She will feel comfortable in a Golf as it will feel the same as her current one and as it looks like all the other 10,000,000 Golfs out there, she will be happy with it.
Take your wife to the BMW dealer first take a car for a long test drive and then to the VW dealer. Let her make the decision.
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Check out the rear space if that is important to you too.

The 1er is still tight for space in the rear seats and the rear door openings are quite small. The Golf has much more legroom and easier entry/exit into the rear seats.

If you have teens/adults using the back seats often then you may find the f21 a bit tight.

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Quick Update:

I took my wife to BMW after VW a few weeks ago, she loved the 1series, this weekend I took her to Audi and she disliked the A3 and I disliked the A3 deals. Today we went to BMW and my sales guys pulled through as normal and now we have a 114i Sport. She test drove it while I was sorting out the deal to save time if she liked it and she did! It has just left the factory and should be on a ship within a few days and with us (latest) in two weeks.
Thanks for all your help!
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Also this dealership was one of the few piloting the genius programme and he took her on the drive. Very informative, good sales move on BMWs part.
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Quick Update:

I took my wife to BMW after VW a few weeks ago, she loved the 1series, this weekend I took her to Audi and she disliked the A3 and I disliked the A3 deals. Today we went to BMW and my sales guys pulled through as normal and now we have a 114i Sport. She test drove it while I was sorting out the deal to save time if she liked it and she did! It has just left the factory and should be on a ship within a few days and with us (latest) in two weeks.
Thanks for all your help!
Well, when she drove it, and she loved it, you have done what's required to make a sound decision. The 114i seems to have good press, and it still is a genuine bimmer with all its virtues. Also, the 114i is very frugal, cultivated and still seems to deliver a mild shove at low rpm's!

My only advice would be to keep this car a bit longer than 3yrs and 9000mls... it will save you some money probably.
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My only advice would be to keep this car a bit longer than 3yrs and 9000mls... it will save you some money probably.
Out of curiosity, can you please explain this because if its true I will. Thanks
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Wel, congrats on the new car!
I think what KoenG means is just that buying a new car is always quite a big investment. And you always loose money on a normal car and more procentual in the first years. So the longer you keep a car and the more you 'get out of it', the more money you can save to buy a new car every 10 years or so..
Thats how I see it, please correct me if I'm wrong, Koen.
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Out of curiosity, can you please explain this because if its true I will. Thanks
So..depreciation behaves like a flatting curve over years. At the start it drops steep and after a while it goes less fast.

So assume you buy a 114i at 24k and after a year it drops to ... 18k (lost 6k), so the year after... you'll lose additional 4k (lost 10k already), and then the third year, you lose about 3,5K. When you hand in your car then, you'll get 24-6-4-3,5= 10,5k for your 3 years old low milage car. So it's about 4,5k a year you lose.

With the same reasoning, you'll easily see that you'll lose only about 3k a year whrn holding to this car for 8yrs, since it'll still be prestine seen your low milage! No?
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More or less the same look on things
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So..depreciation behaves like a flatting curve over years. At the start it drops steep and after a while it goes less fast.

So assume you buy a 114i at 24k and after a year it drops to ... 18k (lost 6k), so the year after... you'll lose additional 4k (lost 10k already), and then the third year, you lose about 3,5K. When you hand in your car then, you'll get 24-6-4-3,5= 10,5k for your 3 years old low milage car. So it's about 4,5k a year you lose.

With the same reasoning, you'll easily see that you'll lose only about 3k a year whrn holding to this car for 8yrs, since it'll still be prestine seen your low milage! No?
The way I see it is:
I don't really want to MOT the car and if the car does start to cause problems it can be very expensive especially if its a BMW. Maybe if I didn't use BMW/VW it would be cheaper but I would rather have piece of mind.
Due to this I keep changing the cars every 2-3 years.
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The way I see it is:
I don't really want to MOT the car and if the car does start to cause problems it can be very expensive especially if its a BMW. Maybe if I didn't use BMW/VW it would be cheaper but I would rather have piece of mind.
Due to this I keep changing the cars every 2-3 years.
Agree, but a BMW or VW is not in any sense becoming less reliable after 2-3years or 9000mls. I wouldn't be surprised that it's just only then that the car reaches its peak of reliability.
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I did 9000 miles in my 1-er within 8 months of new!
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      05-28-2013, 03:12 PM   #43
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Agree, but a BMW or VW is not in any sense becoming less reliable after 2-3years or 9000mls. I wouldn't be surprised that it's just only then that the car reaches its peak of reliability.
The MOT alone is quite expensive as are small parts that may need changing such as bulbs and lets not forget the run flat tyres.

Do any of you have BMWs tyre insurance?
Also do you know if the tyre insurance covers the car or the person (i.e. a particular person can claim 4 tyres for different BMWs)?
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Its a good thing u got the 114. The A3, golf 1.2/1.4 are using 7sp dry gearbox. Being a user of this gearbox, the clutch will slip after a hot drive and the MU will just give itself up after 1-2 years depending on mileage. VW are having engine issue as well. Do goggle up on 1.4 twin charge/ single charge engine..
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