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      01-12-2015, 12:11 PM   #1
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Back! 116d -> 320dA -> 116i M-Sport

Hi! I'm back at the 1-series board again. And I'm very excited.

Summer 2013 i bought a F20 116d Urban Line which I had for 8 months or so, I did like the car much but it missed cruise control which I didn't realize until too late. I sold the car and bought a 2014 F31 320dA which I found too boring and when I had the opportunity to sell the car with almost no loss I did it after 6 months.

I have been looking for a F20 M135i for a while now and I was really close of buying one a couple of months ago... Since then I bought a more expensive apartment than I had planned for, so at the moment there will be no M135i.

INSTEAD, I bought a 2015 116i M-Sport. Never tried the engine, but I hope it' fine...

I will get back with impressions when I get the car, hopefully before this weekend.






Here is the equipment list/car data if someone is interested:
Modellbezeichnung: 116i
Ausführung: Europa
Typschlüssel: 1A11
E-Code: F20
Karosserie: Sports Hatch
Lenkung: links
Türen: 5
Motor: N13B16U0*- 1,60l (100kW)
Antrieb: Heckantrieb
Getriebe: manuell
Außenfarbe: Black Sapphire Metallic (475)
Innenraum: Stoff Hexagon Alcantara/anthrazit (HAAT)
Produktionsdatum: 20.08.2014
Werk: Regensburg

Code Optional Equipment
S1CAA Selection of COP relevant vehicles
S1CBA CO2 package
S230A Extra package, EU-specific
S249A Multifunction f steering wheel
S258A Tire with run-flat functionality
S2N4A BMW LM Rad 18" M Sternspeiche 386
S2PAA Lug bolt retainer
S2VBA Tyre pressure control (TPC)
S302A Alarm system
S320A Deleted, model lettering
P337A M Sports package
S428A Warning triangle and first aid kit
S481A Sports seat
S493A Storage compartment package
S494A Seat heating driver/passenger
S4ADA Interior trim strips, alu, brushed, fine
S4AEA Armrest front, retractable
S4DLA Accent strips, black, high-gloss
S502A Headlight cleaning system
S507A Park Distance Control (PDC), rear
S520A Fog lights
S521A Rain sensor
S522A Xenon Light
S534A Automatic air conditioning
S544A Cruise control with brake function
S563A Light package
S5DAA Passenger airbag deactivation
S663A Radio BMW Professional
S698A Area-Code 2 for DVD
S6ACA Intelligent emergency call
S6AEA TeleServices
S6NSA Convenience telephony with extended smartphone connectivity
S704A M Sports suspension
S710A M leather steering wheel
S715A M Aerodynamics package
S760A High gloss shadow line
S775A Headlining anthracite
S842A Cold-climate version
S850A Additional Export tank filling
S853A Language version English
S885A On-board vehicle literature Swedish
S8KAA Oil-maintenance interval - 24 months/30,000 km
S8SMA Car ident. number visible from outside
S8TGA Thiefproofing device
S993A model year code in VIN
S9AAA Outer skin protection

Sorry about the long list...
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      01-13-2015, 06:49 AM   #2
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Hi Ipp,

I'm curious as to why you chose the 116i, have you test driven it?

What made you come back to the 1 series.

I thought that the 320da is more powerful, but you said it was boring.

I have a 116iA and think it is brilliant. It seems much more powerful than the 136 bhp implies.

Don't forget to run your new engine in. I've only done 300 miles, and I don't know if it is my imagination, but it really seems to pull harder than when I first ran it in.

Happy driving, I think it's really great car to drive!
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      01-13-2015, 09:59 AM   #3
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116i is an underestimated car, when you drive it you question the 136 bhp, coz it feels much faster. Good choice, but you had to leave 135i which plays on another league

Why do you think 320d is boring?
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Hi Ipp,

I'm curious as to why you chose the 116i, have you test driven it?

What made you come back to the 1 series.

I thought that the 320da is more powerful, but you said it was boring.

I have a 116iA and think it is brilliant. It seems much more powerful than the 136 bhp implies.

Don't forget to run your new engine in. I've only done 300 miles, and I don't know if it is my imagination, but it really seems to pull harder than when I first ran it in.

Happy driving, I think it's really great car to drive!
Thanks! I chose the 116i since I've had the 116d already and it was too slow. Also because all the good things I've read about it. Both the 116d and the 320d was rattling too much to feel nice. When it's cold and the start/stop system was doing it's things everything shakes in a unpleasant way.

I think the thing with the 320d was that i had the standard chassie and also performance wise I was expecting more. It had amazing mileage though, almost the same as the 116d.

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116i is an underestimated car, when you drive it you question the 136 bhp, coz it feels much faster. Good choice, but you had to leave 135i which plays on another league

Why do you think 320d is boring?
Thanks! Read my thoughts about the 320d above.

I have never tried the 116i before, I'll get it this friday. Same day as the LCI is out...

I'll report back after the weekend.
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      01-13-2015, 12:46 PM   #5
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I have never tried the 116i before, I'll get it this friday. Same day as the LCI is out...

I'll report back after the weekend.[/QUOTE]

Being petrol, The 116i has considerably lower toque than the diesels, so at lower rpm it won't pull as hard.

To get the maximum power from the engine, you need to rev it hard (my auto revs up to 6500 rpm before changing gear.

Consequently you won't really be able to judge the power until you have run the engine in (which is 1200 miles according o my manual).

Don't be tempted to rev the engine too high until it has been run in, because it can reduce long term performance.

I'm interested to see what you think of the performance. If you think you want more power, you can tune it to 200 hp either with an AC Schnitzer piggyback device (which comes warranty) or a engine remap.

Have fun!
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      01-13-2015, 01:41 PM   #6
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Being petrol, The 116i has considerably lower toque than the diesels, so at lower rpm it won't pull as hard.

To get the maximum power from the engine, you need to rev it hard (my auto revs up to 6500 rpm before changing gear.
But for a petrol engine, it doesn't really like high RPM. It has the torque peak from 1350 RPM, and you can experience the maximum power from 4400 RPM. No need to run it all the way to 6500 to see the potential, although it is nice to be able to do that once it is run in. The wide RPM range is a big advantage over the 116d. The difference in maximum torque is only 40 Nm.
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But for a petrol engine, it doesn't really like high RPM. It has the torque peak from 1350 RPM, and you can experience the maximum power from 4400 RPM. No need to run it all the way to 6500 to see the potential, although it is nice to be able to do that once it is run in. The wide RPM range is a big advantage over the 116d. The difference in maximum torque is only 40 Nm.
Thanks Ove,

I'm sure you are right, but my auto (steptronic) revs right up to 6500 rpm before changing up gear, so I'm assuming this is necessary for maximum acceleration. I would have thought it is even more necessary with the manual, because it has 6 gears instead of the 8 gears that the auto has?

I have also found that my car really seems to pull harder since it has done 2000 miles. It's only an impression, and it may just be due to me driving harder but I wondered what you think?
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But for a petrol engine, it doesn't really like high RPM.
Some say it does not really like idle (low?) RPM either. High RPM (once warmed!) "cleans" the engine, but it should be avoided to use for unnecessarily long time, of course.

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No need to run it all the way to 6500 to see the potential, although it is nice to be able to do that
It's all the power way: once you've reached the maximum power it makes some sense to use it instead of dropping down to the maximum torque, which is just the "means" to gain the power quickly, isn't it?

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The wide RPM range is a big advantage over the 116d.
It's the maximum power range extension, I suppose. I drove a loan 320i in double sport mode (the car, as sport+ of my choice wasn't there and the 8-speed auto gearbox). In kickdown it rocked the tachometer between 5000 and 6500 RPM (approx.). The acceleration was just amazing.

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The difference in maximum torque is only 40 Nm.
116i has a "secret" (turbine pressure) boost mode with 240 Nm available in 1500-3500 RPM.
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Thanks Ove,

I'm sure you are right, but my auto (steptronic) revs right up to 6500 rpm before changing up gear, so I'm assuming this is necessary for maximum acceleration. I would have thought it is even more necessary with the manual, because it has 6 gears instead of the 8 gears that the auto has?

I have also found that my car really seems to pull harder since it has done 2000 miles. It's only an impression, and it may just be due to me driving harder but I wondered what you think?
If you want to take full advantage of the available power, you need to make sure that you go high enough to end up at 4400 RPM or more in next gear every time you shift up. But if you just want a brief taste of the maximum performance, going to 4400 is enough.

I am also pretty sure the performance of the car is slightly limited when it is new.
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116i has a "secret" (turbine pressure) boost mode with 240 Nm available in 1500-3500 RPM.
Right, I forgot about that! So then it is only 20 Nm difference.
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      01-14-2015, 06:02 AM   #11
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I am wondering why you guys did not buy a 125i or a 135i if you about more performance out of your cars.
I gather there must be a valid reason.
Is there a Hugh price difference between these models or do the 125i and 135i attract higher on road costs or taxes and that prohibits them.
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I think I have a fetish for small engines.

Seriously. I could afford a larger engine (M135i), but I don't want to spend another 15.000€ on a car that's going to be parked among other cars on the city streets. And also I got a good deal on this 116i probably since the LCI is out very soon.
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I am wondering why you guys did not buy a 125i or a 135i if you about more performance out of your cars.
I gather there must be a valid reason.
Is there a Hugh price difference between these models or do the 125i and 135i attract higher on road costs or taxes and that prohibits them.
That is currently being discussed in another thread:
http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1076781
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That is currently being discussed in another thread:
http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1076781
True that.

Ove,

It's because of you I bought this 116i without trying it.
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Ove,

It's because of you I bought this 116i without trying it.
Wow. I guess I have to contact your dealer to negotiate a commission fee!
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I am wondering why you guys did not buy a 125i or a 135i if you about more performance out of your cars.
I gather there must be a valid reason.
Is there a Hugh price difference between these models or do the 125i and 135i attract higher on road costs or taxes and that prohibits them.
My decisions was all about bang for your buck. I've read lots about it on the forums, where lots of discussion is about power and the 135i is the most powerful car (which makes it the ultimate).

Back in the real world however, a 135i would cost me approx £100/month more in finance, and then there is increased fuel cost and road tax. I could afford it, if I REALLY wanted it, but I couldn't really justify the cost to myself.

In the real world the 116i seems to have all the performance I need, because the roads where I live are quite congested, and I haven't found an inexpensive local race track. Although I find power and performance figures fascinating (maybe at least in part because I'm and Enginerr), in reality I just want a car that I enjoy driving and don't worry about justifying the cost.
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True that.

Ove,

It's because of you I bought this 116i without trying it.
I think Ove is probably the most level headed reasonable poster on the forum
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If you want to take full advantage of the available power, you need to make sure that you go high enough to end up at 4400 RPM or more in next gear every time you shift up. But if you just want a brief taste of the maximum performance, going to 4400 is enough.

I am also pretty sure the performance of the car is slightly limited when it is new.
I put my foot to the floor in sport mode today, on the dual carriageway and it changed gear at 5500 rpm, which dropped to 4500. When I stamped on the accelerator at low speed, it changed down gear and then revved to 6000 rpm before changing up gear. It also seemed to slip the clutch slightly to maximise power delivery (which I think is very impressive for an auto gearbox).

I don't know how the gearbox decides to change gear, but it seems very efficient at picking the best timing to match the type of driving you want.

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      01-15-2015, 09:49 PM   #19
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The all new 116i has been released just, would you like to change to it?
New facelift and new engine could bring different experiences to you.

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Bad timing though.. LCI is out.
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I knew about the LCI. I got a very good discount. I'm happy with the deal anyways. But to be honest the LCI was much larger than I would have imagined.

Also the old 116i is now the 118i and more expensive (1.000€).

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The all new 116i has been released just, would you like to change to it?
New facelift and new engine could bring different experiences to you.
Really NEEDED a new car back in Nov and definitely wouldn't have been able to wait. The new one looks good, but at first glance I can't see much difference and my purchase was very price sensitive, so probably good timing for me .
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