[Dimitri]

Originally Posted by bunker

I commend you for being both polite and witty in this response. I would not have been able to show the same restraint.

[bluekn8286]

I actually think this is a good move. It is always wise to pick and choose your battles. I honestly think that BMW is not the right company to be entering the low price sports car market.

[kevinlevrone]

Of course they cancelled it. They need more time to copy Mercedes and Audi and make it front wheel drive.

[hailpersia]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Why not? They make literally every car fucking imaginable. They should be competing across the board in enthusiast/motorsport segments. The M3/4 is embarrassing this generation. The M5/6 is lagging as well. The i8 was a proof of concept. That leaves the M2, which isn't out yet, and they killed the 1. So they need to succeed somewhere, maybe it's in the lightweight roadster category?

Agreed in that the FWD roadster was a catastrophically horrible idea.

You seem to have diarrhea of the mouth, that's what's embarrassing...

[W///]

Have you guys ever driven a MINI? It's a freaken hoot to drive. Just have to be open minded about it.

Having said that, not surprised. Roadsters are so niche these days.

[SCOTT26]

This segment is stagnant at the most so some breathing space is being allocated to see how the new Mazda MX-5,the segments pioneer performs and to see if it can revitalise the small Roadster segment for a BMW return.

But all work on the smallest roadster in the BMW group is currently in motion in regards to focusing on making the MINI Superleggera a production reality.
Again its introduction would mean the new MX-5 would have had two years on the market.

[CaliCanadian]

Originally Posted by W///

Have you guys ever driven a MINI? It's a freaken hoot to drive. Just have to be open minded about it.

Having said that, not surprised. Roadsters are so niche these days.

Mini's are so fun to drive! The Cooper S is so damn zippy it's hilarious

I mean if you don't want the FWD then don't buy it

[Nebraska330xi]

Not sure a front drive numb steering coupe would really compete with what seems to be a fantastic new MX5. Good call to cancel.

[CaliCanadian]

Originally Posted by jaehshim

agreed and disagreed
it's not that F80 is bad, it's that there's GREATER cars than F80 for the money these days.
Honestly, during the E90 M days, it was probably the most ideal sport, trackable sedan/coupe for the money.
GTR was too expensive, Corvette's quality was pretty bad, C63's 7 speed auto was hideous, RS4 was heavier and slower than E9X M3 series etc etc

Now? everyone's looking at the new C63 or a used GTR if going forced induction sports sedan/coupe for the same money.

the jacked up price just doesn't justify F80 being THAT BETTER than E90 in every way. there's better cars for same money

If people are looking for value in a car than they probably shouldn't be looking at BMW or anything that BMW competes with. Every car has its strengths and weaknesses, and yes obviously everyone is looking at the new C63, it pretty much just came out, as opposed to the M3/M4.. It's also not always about the better car. Also, why would you compare an M3/M4 to a GTR? They're like totally different cars.. The only real competitor for the M3 at this time is the C63. For the M4, it's the RS5 at least until the C63 2-Door comes out. If "everyone" really is looking at a used GTR than they should get it, since they're probably mostly thinking about having the fastest car they can get.
Also by competitor I don't mean just raw figures or stuff. Both are "luxury performance" sedans or coupes, similar hp,figures,torque,body style,features,technology etc.

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by jaehshim

agreed and disagreed -the jacked up price just doesn't justify F80 being THAT BETTER than E90 in every way. there's better cars for same money

The F80 is actually comparable or even cheaper that the 2013 E9X. The base price on the 2013 E92 M3 was $60,100, but it did not include things like navigation, heated seats, CF roof, etc. which would have added thousands of dollars to the E9X. The navigation alone was $1350. I paid less for my M4 than a friend did for his 2013 M3, very similarly equipped.

Sorry for the

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by jaehshim

agreed and disagreed
it's not that F80 is bad, it's that there's GREATER cars than F80 for the money these days.
Honestly, during the E90 M days, it was probably the most ideal sport, trackable sedan/coupe for the money.
GTR was too expensive, Corvette's quality was pretty bad, C63's 7 speed auto was hideous, RS4 was heavier and slower than E9X M3 series etc etc

Now? everyone's looking at the new C63 or a used GTR if going forced induction sports sedan/coupe for the same money.

the jacked up price just doesn't justify F80 being THAT BETTER than E90 in every way. there's better cars for same money

Very well put. I too think the f80 is very expensive for what's out there. That's why I have to wait for a used one.

Can't overlook cars like the ATS-V and c63 as well as a used 991 for the price of a M3. All great cars today respectively.

[hadokenny]

Originally Posted by dd1981

Very well put. I too think the f80 is very expensive for what's out there. That's why I have to wait for a used one.

Can't overlook cars like the ATS-V and c63 as well as a used 991 for the price of a M3. All great cars today respectively.

Not to mention the GT350 with 500+hp that starts under 50k...

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by hadokenny

Not to mention the GT350 with 500+hp that starts under 50k...

Oh absolutely! How did I forget that thing!!!

[aajami]

Four cylinder FWD roadster? Cry me a river that it's dead.

Now tell me what's happening with the Z5M Coupe.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

This segment is stagnant at the most so some breathing space is being allocated to see how the new Mazda MX-5,the segments pioneer performs and to see if it can revitalise the small Roadster segment for a BMW return.

But all work on the smallest roadster in the BMW group is currently in motion in regards to focusing on making the MINI Superleggera a production reality.
Again its introduction would mean the new MX-5 would have had two years on the market.

If they make it 100% Electric I am going to buy one in a heart beat.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by aajami

Four cylinder FWD roadster? Cry me a river that it's dead.

Now tell me what's happening with the Z5M Coupe.

There have been more than one thread like this saying the same news and the picture is very old as well.

Nothing new here

Now what Scott posted that's what should be posted on the front page. The rest is the same with a mix of M3/4 thread jackers.

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

There have been more than one thread like this saying the same news and the picture is very old as well.

Nothing new here

Now what Scott posted that's what should be posted on the front page. The rest is the same with a mix of M3/4 thread jackers.

Apologies, but this IS the M3/4 Forum

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

Apologies, but this IS the M3/4 Forum

Has nothing to do with the off topic thread jack and there is no apology needed.

[snaimpally]

Much of the fun factor associated with the Miata has to do with the fact that its a throwback to the old RWD roadsters, like the MGB. A FWD car won't be a competitor. I think the sad part is that BMW management doesn't seem to "get it".

BMW already has a plethora of models in every series so there is no reason that they couldn't produce a roadster off the 1 or 2 series. Shorten the wheelbase, add a 4 cyl (or 3 cyl) turbo engine, and that would be a real competitor.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by snaimpally

Much of the fun factor associated with the Miata has to do with the fact that its a throwback to the old RWD roadsters, like the MGB. A FWD car won't be a competitor. I think the sad part is that BMW management doesn't seem to "get it".

BMW already has a plethora of models in every series so there is no reason that they couldn't produce a roadster off the 1 or 2 series. Shorten the wheelbase, add a 4 cyl (or 3 cyl) turbo engine, and that would be a real competitor.

After making 2 open top Mini's I agree !!

[snaimpally]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

After making 2 open top Mini's I agree !!

Exactly!!!

[SakhirM4]

BMW was very successful with the Z3 and the original Z4. When they went "upscale" with the Z4, they lost their market. A new well-equipped Z4 cost more than my M4