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      08-04-2015, 08:49 AM   #45
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No need for a RWD sedan smaller than a 3-series, apparently.
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I WANT A RWD 2 SERIES GC IN BOTH 228i GC, M235i GC AND M2 GC FORMS. LIKE OR +1 SO BMW KNOWS! I don't deny this will be a fun car (really enjoy the new mini) and sell great. It would be a great car for many people, like my sister, who is waiting to purchase a new mini and does not care about the drive wheels. BUT I hate that this is FWD. I have a crazy love affair with my RWD e46 and want a near direct replacement as its getting older. The 1 series hatch would have been a great option (but we didn't get that in the US, instead we get a whole load of other crap options to fill other niche markets). The hatch is fine and it has more power, rear wheel drive, still compact and some new gizmos (comfort access). I do not care that I would have a drive shaft that goes thru the back seats which means realistically I can only carry 4. I hardly use them anyway but like the option of carrying a few people in a pinch. I give no sh*ts if they are comfortable. We can take their car if they are going to complain. STOP FEEDING US ALL THIS GARBAGE ABOUT BMW MAKING LAME MASS MARKET CARS SO THEY CAN AFFORD TO MAKE GREAT DRIVERS CARS. GIVE ME THE DRIVERS CAR I WANT, YOU ALREADY HAVE THE ENGINES, PLATFORM AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU NEED! Please
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Is it confirmed to have FWD? That gear selector is used only for BMW's rear drive/rear biased models. Notice the 2 Active tourer and the new X1 don't have this shifter.
Yes, but to me it only indicates a ZF 8spd transmission, not the wheels driven.

Center stack looks similar to X5/6 and G11 ones..which looks pretty nice.

Cant tell much on the outside but im not holding my breath, looking at recent BMWs designs.

Dont get all this FWD hate. Certainly i prefer RWD but at this price point i guess it doesnt make commercial sense, not to mention the back seat/trunk room that the RWD platform would take away in a car this size.

Pray that they actually make a 2er GC which scott said that its platform can be used for both FWD and RWD.
I'm sorry but if you are buying a compact BMW and need to make sure you have room enough in the back seats for say a family... Then go buy an accord for the same price, or better yet a Mazda 6 if you want something that's not a total dud. I fail to see how only 10 years ago BMW sold many many e46 with all the so called shortcomings of RWD (******* and now in a short time span that formula absolutely does not work??
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No need for a RWD sedan smaller than a 3-series, apparently.
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Maybe so, but far from true.
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When BMW said they had no need for a sedan smaller than a 3 series, they must have meant a 3 series from 10 years ago...
No need for a RWD sedan smaller than a 3-series, apparently.
Yes indeed... Time will yield a 2er Gran Coupe.

They can do only N26 xDrive and it will never really touch the 3er sales. The 2 is the new 3 anyways. They just keep upsizing each model so they have to complete the lower line up to stay competitive in every segment.
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I am 6'2" tall, and fit comfortably into the back seat of the 1 series hatch when the front seat is adjusted for me. I would not mind if the one series was smaller and lighter.
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No need for a RWD sedan smaller than a 3-series, apparently.
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Maybe so, but far from true.
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Is it confirmed to have FWD? That gear selector is used only for BMW's rear drive/rear biased models. Notice the 2 Active tourer and the new X1 don't have this shifter.
Yes, but to me it only indicates a ZF 8spd transmission, not the wheels driven.

Center stack looks similar to X5/6 and G11 ones..which looks pretty nice.

Cant tell much on the outside but im not holding my breath, looking at recent BMWs designs.

Dont get all this FWD hate. Certainly i prefer RWD but at this price point i guess it doesnt make commercial sense, not to mention the back seat/trunk room that the RWD platform would take away in a car this size.

Pray that they actually make a 2er GC which scott said that its platform can be used for both FWD and RWD.
I'm sorry but if you are buying a compact BMW and need to make sure you have room enough in the back seats for say a family... Then go buy an accord for the same price, or better yet a Mazda 6 if you want something that's not a total dud. I fail to see how only 10 years ago BMW sold many many e46 with all the so called shortcomings of RWD (******* and now in a short time span that formula absolutely does not work??
I said I'd rather have it RWD. But it actually makes sense to be FWD in a commercial stand point. People that buys those kind of cars dont give a shit if its FWD or RWD, even the 3 series i bet that at least 80% of buyers dont know which wheels are being driven.

So for BMW makes sense to have more space and be cheaper in a market where ppl dont really care about driving dynamics, but care about those other useless things. Still, it isnt that bad, we all know that BMWs AWD its very rear biased.

And i dont really give a crap about this car, if they give us the 2er GC in RWD form.
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Yes, but to me it only indicates a ZF 8spd transmission, not the wheels driven.
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ZF 8spd is a longitudinal automatic so this wouldn't fit a FWD setup... but a FWD 1 series sedan makes sense to combat the CLA and A3 sedan...both are FWD...

So the F87 M2 will be the one and only since BMW M will not make a FWD M car.
It just needs to be a transmission with an electronic gear selector instead of a mechanical one. Lots of FWD cars these days have electronic shifters, so its not just with the longitudinal ZF 8HP that BMW can use that shifter.

The transverse ZF 9HP is used with an electronic gear selector in most (all?) of its applications. Acura TLX/MDX, Chrysler 200, Honda Pilot, Jeep Cherokee, among others.

And M could make AWD M cars...
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It just needs to be a transmission with an electronic gear selector instead of a mechanical one. Lots of FWD cars these days have electronic shifters, so its not just with the longitudinal ZF 8HP that BMW can use that shifter.

The transverse ZF 9HP is used with an electronic gear selector in most (all?) of its applications. Acura TLX/MDX, Chrysler 200, Honda Pilot, Jeep Cherokee, among others.

And M could make AWD M cars...
Come on!!! Jeep and their troubled 9 speed and VW with their rubbish dual clutch.

BMW is making a huge mistake with FWD. It doesn't matter in China as 99% of them cannot drive safely. Where ever I travel in the world I always come across terrible Chinese driving.
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