[hpapad01]

Originally Posted by Tag

2 Series sales are strong. MAKE MORE M2s!

NOOOOOOO!!!

We don't want them to just built more M2s.

We just need them to built the M2s that are part of the allocation lists for right now. Once that's done, then they should start building the M2 CS/GT or whatever they want to call it. Then start building the M2GC.

What else am I forgetting?

Then and only then thay should start building more M2s

[Alpine300zhp]

Originally Posted by calicolorado

Stop catering to the Lexus crowd BMW! Keep the original formula, keep the cars crisp and give them feel. You are losing the plot with the scattershod model designations. The X4, new X1 (FWD architecture) and 2 series grand tourer are absolutely ridiculous and have no business in the product lineup. The i# is a styling mess and the range extender should offer at least 2.5x the current range. Continue to offer manual transmissions and expand their availablilty. Porsche learned this the hard way.

rant mode off.

What he said...

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by Smithcinema

Hey comes down to money Bmw this year not offering decent incentives !!! It's the only brand with out a loyalty discount !! I would love a x5 but instead I will buy a Mercedes gls with some nice incentives and it was just released the x5 is dated now !! Bmw needs to take care of current customers !! Mercedes , Audi , Lexus and even Volvo now are just as nice if not better than Bmw !! And watch for Maserati there deals have been real good and u can see the amount of them on the road because of it ! BMW WAKE UP

You do know the GLS-Klasse is the facelifted Mercedes-Benz GL-Klasse which has been around longer than the BMW F15 X5?

[keanu1]

Bmw is losing because of the design. Interior and exterior design is e generation older than audi and Mercedes and Even Volvo now

[DDD31]

Originally Posted by ZEEM3R

Anybody have MB/Audi numbers for comparison?

(Manufacturer, May 2016 sales, %change, 2016 YTD sales, YTD %change)

Audi 18,728, 1.6%, 78,489, 4.2%

BMW 29,017, -6.4%, 124,581, -8.7%

Mercedes 32,147, -0.6%, 146,981, -0.7%

Lexus 26,682, -10.1%, 125,785, -5.2%

Cadillac 12,099, -16.0%, 58,968, -12.5%

Once again Audi has an increase in sales and it appears that Mercedes Benz will probably take luxury sales crown this year.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by DDD31

(Manufacturer, May 2016 sales, %change, 2016 YTD sales, YTD %change)

Audi 18,728, 1.6%, 78,489, 4.2%

BMW 29,017, -6.4%, 124,581, -8.7%

Mercedes 32,147, -0.6%, 146,981, -0.7%

Lexus 26,682, -10.1%, 125,785, -5.2%

Cadillac 12,099, -16.0%, 58,968, -12.5%

Once again Audi has an increase in sales and it appears that Mercedes Benz will probably take luxury sales crown this year.

To be honest, I'm surprised Mercedes doesn't take the sales crown more often...I feel like they offer so many more models than BMW does. Looks like it'll be a fight for second between BMW and that Japanese company that makes fax machines on wheels.

[mastermav]

Originally Posted by keanu1

Bmw is losing because of the design. Interior and exterior design is e generation older than audi and Mercedes and Even Volvo now

BMW needs to figure out the entertainment system. 2016 models have outdated iDrive experience, it's just bad.

[TheBingoBalls]

Mercedes just keeps increasing their lead. 22k vehicles wow. BMW miscalculated something because to not have a direct CLA competitor is a huge oversight. The CLA has moved 30,000 vehicles YTD, that's 30,000 vehicles BMW missed out on, probably more if you consider the Audi A3. This more than anything is a huge reason why they're behind Mercedes as much as they are.

Originally Posted by mastermav

BMW needs to figure out the entertainment system. 2016 models have outdated iDrive experience, it's just bad.

If you think iDrive is bad, then the competition is even worse. Personally, iDrive (NBT) > Audi MMI & Mercedes COMAND and it's not even close. BMW iDrive is arguably the best infotainment system in the industry so I doubt BMW is worried about that aspect of their cars.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Tag

2 Series sales are strong. MAKE MORE M2s!

Too bad they don't have a 2 series sedan to help shore up the figures ...? Mercedes is killing BMW with the CLA

[SCOTT26]

I am sure it won't be long till BMW offer a similar FWD model to the CLS and Audi A3 Sedan in North America.

[ZEEM3R]

Originally Posted by DDD31

(Manufacturer, May 2016 sales, %change, 2016 YTD sales, YTD %change)

Audi 18,728, 1.6%, 78,489, 4.2%

BMW 29,017, -6.4%, 124,581, -8.7%

Mercedes 32,147, -0.6%, 146,981, -0.7%

Lexus 26,682, -10.1%, 125,785, -5.2%

Cadillac 12,099, -16.0%, 58,968, -12.5%

Once again Audi has an increase in sales and it appears that Mercedes Benz will probably take luxury sales crown this year.

MB will probably take it. Their cars just seem so ahead of BMW these days in terms of luxury and performance. The M3/4 may be winning in terms of magazine reviews against the C63 but when you actually see a C63S Coupe in person, you're left in awe.

[4MULA_1]

Guys BMW has a plan to help out with these numbers...how you ask? Reducing the maintenance plan from 4yr/50k miles to 3yr/36k miles with less things covered in that plan. Idk which clown thought that'll be a good idea.

[Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by Smithcinema

Hey comes down to money Bmw this year not offering decent incentives !!! It's the only brand with out a loyalty discount !! I would love a x5 but instead I will buy a Mercedes gls with some nice incentives and it was just released the x5 is dated now !! Bmw needs to take care of current customers !! Mercedes , Audi , Lexus and even Volvo now are just as nice if not better than Bmw !! And watch for Maserati there deals have been real good and u can see the amount of them on the road because of it ! BMW WAKE UP

last month was the first month with out loyalty this year

[spmd11]

Really? That's so weak. How come my BMW stock is tanking, quarter after quarter?

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

But like everybody else the gains are showing in the SUV segments.

[samchoi604]

Wow.. the 3/4 series has been a flop. Not even half-way through its life cycle and the brand's largest segment is tanking.

With the Audi S4, Benz C43, and Jaguar SE set to arrive shortly, sales of the 3 series will be obliterated. The 4 series will continue to tank with the arrival of the Audi A5 and the new C coupe. Locally, I see some ridiculously low priced F30 335i m-sport listed for weeks without any buyers.

[autopal]

Originally Posted by ZEEM3R

MB will probably take it. Their cars just seem so ahead of BMW these days in terms of luxury and performance. The M3/4 may be winning in terms of magazine reviews against the C63 but when you actually see a C63S Coupe in person, you're left in awe.

Press the C63 start button, and awe is turned to downright DROOL!

[Ghetto2315]

Originally Posted by InTheNightKitchen

But what's causing this trend?

Absolutely atrocious sales program support from BMW financial. Mark my word - BMW will lose the sales crown this year to Mercedes-Benz due to this.

Edit: I didn't read everyone's posts in this thread but it's clear that my statement is being observed by everyone already.

BMW had a loyalty incentive last month but it was only good from the 13th till the 31st. Also, loyalty means that you have to either be in a current BMW financial lease or finance or within 12 months of having completed one.

BMW also needs to come out with a conquest program, which essentially gives an incentive to a customer if they are driving a competitor brand like MB, Audi, Lexus, Maserati, Porsche, etc.

Lastly, one of the biggest things I hate is that BMW does not have a true pull-ahead payment waiver program. Benz does (called Loyalty Accelerator Program) where if you have a few payments left, it will be waived provided you get another Benz. No questions asked. With BMW, their pull ahead waiver program means the dealer has to buy the car back from the customer in order to "waive" the payments. So any car that has had an accident, has high mileage or damage on the car, the value tanks and the dealers won't buy the car back. Program is a bust.

Final note - BMW reducing their maintenance program down to 3 years / 36,000 miles is a joke. The one item that BMW truly offers for free to their customers is that other brands do not is being skimped on in an effort to maximize dollars for the manufacturer.

[basiluf]

YTD, BMW has the largest percentage decrease in light vehicle sales.

[BoosTonian]

This thread makes me LOL.

Y'all either complain that BMW makes too many models to sell and adhere to "too many people"

Or

Y'all complain that BMW doesn't sell enough.

[BMWZ4]

Every month their sales reports come out and good or bad, more than not $hit all over bmw. So why do some/all of you continue buying them? Lots of (apparent) Benz lovers here, so bail already. Get your Benz. If bmw is doing such a piss poor job, vote with your wallets and pick up a Lexus Benz or Audi.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

If you think iDrive is bad, then the competition is even worse. Personally, iDrive (NBT) > Audi MMI & Mercedes COMAND and it's not even close. BMW iDrive is arguably the best infotainment system in the industry so I doubt BMW is worried about that aspect of their cars.

I have a coworker that got a new Q7 that has the new MMI and virtual cockpit. It hands down one of best infotainment systems I have ever used in a vehicle.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by MThree_driver

This thread makes me LOL.

Y'all either complain that BMW makes too many models to sell and adhere to "too many people"

Or

Y'all complain that BMW doesn't sell enough.

No it is not people complaining about not selling enough vehicles. It is people mocking BMW for making too many models and then it not producing the sales numbers.

Most enthusiasts here would take slightly lower sales numbers, in exchange for more back-to-basics driver's car options.