[pdudek]

Just as note to hopefully shed some light.
The 3.0L VW diesels also use urea and as of now are not affected. As I understand it the X5 and x3 are both above normal allowable emissions as per regulations but are within the allowable tolerances. I believe the x5 was 50% above regular limits and the x3 at only 9-10 times above regular emissions output which is not as big of an issue as the 20-30 times which the VW 2.0L diesel was outputting. The major concern is the potential hidden code wthin the software defeating emission control.

It'll be interesting to see what the additional findings will come up with.

[raysspl]

[Desmo85]

Originally Posted by nockenpaul

Auto Bild is getting cold feet now. They just published this press release:

"AUTO BILD clarifies: No indication of exhaust manipulation at BMW"

Source (Google Translate): https://translate.google.de/translat...086&edit-text=

Source in German: http://www.presseportal.de/pm/53065/3131086

Auto Bild website: http://www.autobild.de/artikel/klars...l-6920195.html

AutoBild shoud be presented a Law Suit if that was true, and the author should face criminal charges, the economic damage due to one asshole talking shit is outrageous.

[leon1984]

Originally Posted by nockenpaul

Auto Bild is bumping the BMW shares back up now for their profits. They just published this press release:

"AUTO BILD clarifies: No indication of exhaust manipulation at BMW"

Sorted it for you

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by nockenpaul

Auto Bild is getting cold feet now. They just published this press release:

"AUTO BILD clarifies: No indication of exhaust manipulation at BMW"

Source (Google Translate): https://translate.google.de/translat...086&edit-text=

Source in German: http://www.presseportal.de/pm/53065/3131086

Auto Bild website: http://www.autobild.de/artikel/klars...l-6920195.html

That article was BS to start with. BMW uses the same engines all across its line. Its hard to reason why in one platform the same engine would fail a test while in other platforms it would pass.

I think the VW scandal is sad. VW is gonna get burned at the stake over this. And the sad thing is they have no idea how bad it really is for them in the USA. People will look back at this time like they remember this GM V8 diesel engines from the 70's/80's that would blow up - bc GM did not design them to be true diesels - just converted gas engines.

[SANK_CH]

Originally Posted by Desmo85

AutoBild shoud be presented a Law Suit if that was true, and the author should face criminal charges, the economic damage due to one asshole talking shit is outrageous.

yep this is our today's generation. The I generation, or the Internet generation, that i like to call them the Excel generation. They have a visit card with endless titles on it (Journalist) but mainly they know nothing. For their lack of knowledge no worry Google is here, and then Excel will tell you which action(s) to take. The brain is only here to deserve the information displayed on the screen of the computer.

They are not anymore here to inform the readers, they are here to sell, to sell more (Excel generation) than their competitors. And they allow themselves to edit non checked information in the name of the Freedom's right of telling the truth... ($$$$$)

In the same way gov. and customers will ask money to VW, a lot more over the real value of the default to be fixed. BMW should do the same to Autobild about the money BMW lost within a few hours due to incompetent journalist searching his Pulitzer article.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by Desmo85

AutoBild shoud be presented a Law Suit if that was true, and the author should face criminal charges, the economic damage due to one asshole talking shit is outrageous.

I mean, maybe I'm not clear on everything, but they didn't lie or anything did they?

Form what I understand, they reported the results of a test of an X3. Whether or not those elevated test results were the result of an anomaly, normal legal operation, or intention illegal operation is another story.

[DDD31]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

That article was BS to start with. BMW uses the same engines all across its line. Its hard to reason why in one platform the same engine would fail a test while in other platforms it would pass.

I think the VW scandal is sad. VW is gonna get burned at the stake over this. And the sad thing is they have no idea how bad it really is for them in the USA. People will look back at this time like they remember this GM V8 diesel engines from the 70's/80's that would blow up - bc GM did not design them to be true diesels - just converted gas engines.

I agree, just when diesels are starting to make a very small comeback in the US, VW does something unthinkable with their diesels. My family had both Mercedes and VW diesels in the 70's and 80's (my very first car was a VW Rabbit Diesel) and we really liked them. They had great fuel economy and were nearly indestructible. Then idiotic GM came along with their V8 diesels that were just converted gas engines. This "engineering" resulted in blown head gaskets, cracked blocks and multitudes of other serious engine problems which pretty much killed the diesel car market for decades. Hopefully this scandal doesn't set the diesel market back another couple of decades.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

GM V8 diesel engines from the 70's/80's that would blow up - bc GM did not design them to be true diesels - just converted gas engines.

Interesting. Never knew that but that sounds like such a GM thing to do.

[Danyutz]

This is the only emission defeating device, BMW has.

[Jason]

BMW's official full response on the matter:

BMW Group is committed to observing the legal requirements in each country and fulfilling all local testing requirements.

In other words, our exhaust treatment systems are active whether rolling on the test bench or driving on the road.

Clear, binding specifications and processes are in place through all phases of development at the BMW Group in order to avoid wrongdoing.

Two studies carried out by the ICCT have confirmed that the BMW X5 and 13 other BMW vehicles tested comply with the legal requirements concerning NOx emissions. No discrepancies were found in the X5 between laboratory-test and field-test NOx emissions.

We are not familiar with the test results mentioned by Auto Bild on 24 September concerning the emissions of a BMW X3 during a road test. No specific details of the test have yet been provided and therefore we cannot explain these results. We are contacting the ICCT and asking for clarification of the test they carried out.

We are willing to discuss our testing procedures with the relevant authorities and to make our vehicles available for testing at any time.

The importance of diesel engines in achieving CO2 targets

Policymakers worldwide, and in particular in the European Union, are setting tough standards for CO2 and other emissions. The 2020 targets in Europe can only be fulfilled through extensive use of modern diesel engines and further electrification.

The progress achieved so far in CO2 reduction in Europe is largely due to the use of diesel technology. Meeting future requirements will not be feasible without diesel drive trains, since a diesel engine emits roughly 15 to 20 per cent less CO2 on average than a comparable petrol engine.

At the BMW Group, we have invested a great deal in recent years in refining and optimizing diesel technology.

At BMW, diesel vehicles accounted for 38% of vehicles sold worldwide last year: Europe 80%; Germany 73%; US 6%. This represents approx. 20,000 vehicles in the US in 2014.

The Euro 6 emissions standard, which took effect on 1 September 2015 and is binding for all new vehicle registrations, improves both environmental and consumer protection.

To bridge the gap between test results and real-life fuel consumption and emissions, the European Union is working on a new test cycle (WLTP) and an emissions test for real driving situations, known as “real driving emissions” or RDE. We support the swift introduction of the new regulations to create clarity for consumers and the industry as quickly as possible.

[bandwagn]

Originally Posted by caycep

Are BMW shares publicly traded? My impression was that it was a privately owned company?

Trades on the Frankfurt exchange - was able to pick up a few shares when e*trade offered global trading accounts

[///M-Furby]

im waiting for the new advertisement.

Bmw x5 in forground, and audi a3 in background. smoke in the back. two words

LOL AUDI

[rking117]

I think VW is rolling coal...

[bmwrules]

I wonder if those in the media that reported the initial X3 story will report the clarification

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Railgun

Ha. Just wait until the other shoe drops when they start looking into gas/petrol engines.

The headlines will read:
"Turbo engines don't deliver the advertised gas mileage and have similar emissions issues as the diesels"

BMW M: "Welp, back to NA engines!!"

[Zebra99]

I would sue ICCT for slander if they in fact have no solid evidence to support their claim

[Antares]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

That article was BS to start with. BMW uses the same engines all across its line. Its hard to reason why in one platform the same engine would fail a test while in other platforms it would pass.

I think the VW scandal is sad. VW is gonna get burned at the stake over this. And the sad thing is they have no idea how bad it really is for them in the USA.

Not only in the USA; it's namely not only about engine emission certification, it's about trust.
If a company lies and misleads without limits, how can you trust them about anything? Cars are about safety and quality.
Do airbags deploy properly, ESP works as it should?
How about quality? Just recall their "high-tech" automatic transmission problems.

[greekcs]

Why doesn't the EPA focus on Ethanol and its increase in CO2 emissions. It takes more energy to produce the damn crop than the energy it offers in return.

[MightyMouseTech]

Because lobbyists.

Those corn farmers have a lot of cash.

[Pentium]

Originally Posted by Railgun

Ha. Just wait until the other shoe drops when they start looking into gas/petrol engines.

Diesel was always the problem over the years, not petrol

[SANK_CH]

Originally Posted by rking117

I think VW is rolling coal...

this picture make me remember two nights ago, following a Diesel Range Rover (previous generation). Each time he was pushing on the right pedal a huge black smoke came out of his exhausts. I quickly changed the air con in order to not breath it.

So next in the Target, Range Rover????