[floridaorange]

Originally Posted by floridaorange

This guy sums it up accurately - start at 9:30

I meant - start watching at 20 mins

[paquet]

Originally Posted by rwheels

While your points sound great, they left out something very crucial, stated later. It is so easy to blame others, and not look in the mirror. Considering that we, as Americans, do not live on an island, many of the points you stated, occur in other countries, yet they do not have the murder issues we have. When our "American" values accept that we can slaughter children, but we will not change our views, then the problem is with us. We, as Americans, are the mental ones. How many more innocents (especially children) will we allow to suffer from mass shootings, before any of us are willing to actually change our own values? In the Uvalde shooting, we read of a mother who went in to the school and pulled out her own child, and a few others, at great danger to her own life. Why? Because she valued the life of that child much more than her own, just as most any parent would. Unfortunately, the very walls that used to protect us, have now imprisoned us.

Any life being cut short is of concern to me - without qualification.
Even those who 'deserve' it such as criminals - a life that they could have made/done better.

Now, I believe every country is different in its' culture - and again, this is not deflection, but an honest appraisal of fact.
What works in the US will not work in other countries, and vice versa. Accordingly, there has been just enough of a shift away from an equilibrium in the US leading to the attacks we see today.

Think about this slowly: These attacks are reactions against society.

The level of exposure to media in the US is unlike other countries.

And I'm sometimes surprised we haven't seen more attacks - regardless of how bad any attack may be. Obviously a child being killed is more painful for reasons of innocence lost, a promising life cut short, the potential lost, etc etc.

Speaking as a non-US citizen, who has lived in Asia and Canada among other places, I appreciate and respect the gun cultural acceptance in the US - as I've seen the downside of underground/illegal guns in other countries.
Case in point, that poor ex-Japanese prime minister got killed by an assailant with a homemade weapon - there's no stopping his assailant from creating it. However, there were other safety mechanisms that could have stopped him. Or maybe not...

However, coming back to the US, many things did change to become detrimental overall to society. And I personally feel glamorization of anti-heroes using violence without consequence in media is the biggest free pass, so to speak.

As I mentioned earlier, media has created that process of de-sensitizing towards violence. But there's no safety switch in place today.

Add lax judicial punishment to that, and a criminally inclined mind will take more liberties to perpetuate their nefarious deeds. An attitude of over-acceptance and justification of people's feelings, rather than societal norms, are likely a piece of the puzzle too, but I digress.

PS: I don't mean to be mean, so I apologize in advance for saying this, but your focusing on details of one incident isn't constructive beyond that incident's own local significance. And accordingly, those details don't even have anything to do with this new incident.

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by ryan stewart

We should be looking at the tool being used and how its so easy for these nutbags to get a hold of them. Without that tool they wouldn't be able to inflict anywhere near the damage they do.

But I guess I'll get in trouble for being political for stating a fact.

You got political?!?! Without me?!?

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

There is no way to make it harder for criminals to obtain firearms. It's fallacious reasoning.....a pipe dream to sell to the masses who don't have any perspective. The only way to make such a claim even remotely possible is to rid this entire country of guns, and we know that will never happen.

Originally, cars didn't have seatbelt. Then, many years later, most cars didn't have shoulder belts. Many years later, airbags and abs came along.

Cars are pretty damn safe now. It took time, but we got there.

Do you u understand where I am going with this?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

Originally, cars didn't have seatbelt. Then, many years later, most cars didn't have shoulder belts. Many years later, airbags and abs came along.

Cars are pretty damn safe now. It took time, but we got there.

Do you u understand where I am going with this?

I do, and the reasoning makes sense when we're dealing with something controllable. Firearms are not analogous to seatbelts, vehicle improvements, etc. Firearms are manufactured completely off the radar, smuggled (…*cough*…allowed…*cough*) in from the southern border, etc. There are far too many firearms in this country for that pipe dream to ever become a reality.

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by KevinC

Highly relevant here.....

https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.c...rk-has-finally

Have you read the other articles on this site? They could have been written by the Kennedy anti-VAX guy. Comically biased

[NickyC]

Please don't let this thread lead to the removal of the firearms thread. Nobody's minds are going to be changed, I just hope all stay healthy and happy.

*drive by posting*

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

You're entitled to your opinion(s), but I need to refute two specific statements and affirm the facts…..


….people have been using the AR for hunting since its inception (…not that the 2nd Amendment has anything to do with hunting, nor requires it as justification). It is a great tool for hunting and depending on configuration, a great tool for home defense as well……especially against multiple intruders.

….the AR became readily available to the public in the early 1950's. It was available for nearly 40 years before mass shootings became a thing, so it wasn't the rifle that changed……it was the people…


…..which circles us back to society, mental health, etc.

Mental health is a complete red herring. The problem, like a stool, is three legged.

Have you ever watched the history channels TV series man machine moment?

Richthofen, Fokker triplane, World War I
Ford, cars, assembly line
Gates, IBM, operating system

Assault rifle, internet, alt/right

I know alt/right isn't the villain every time, but certainly seems to be a major contributor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_E...ng?wprov=sfti1 https://maps.apple.com/?ll=31.777100...mJj3XpiYWsA%3D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_B...ng?wprov=sfti1 https://maps.apple.com/?ll=42.909722...lLZE6ZO2U8A%3D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highla...ng?wprov=sfti1 https://maps.apple.com/?ll=42.185000...RfOMZ0XzVcA%3D

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I do, and the reasoning makes sense when we're dealing with something controllable. Firearms are not analogous to seatbelts, vehicle improvements, etc. Firearms are manufactured completely off the radar, smuggled (…*cough*…allowed…*cough*) in from the southern border, etc. There are far too many firearms in this country for that pipe dream to ever become a reality.

It's hard? That shouldn't scare Americans. We do hard things.

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by floridaorange

This guy sums it up accurately - start at 9:30

Please delete and never show this face of evil again.

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Please don't let this thread lead to the removal of the firearms thread. Nobody's minds are going to be changed, I just hope all stay healthy and happy.

*drive by posting*

Only if someone starts a real porn thread, to accompany the gun porn.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Please don't let this thread lead to the removal of the firearms thread. Nobody's minds are going to be changed, I just hope all stay healthy and happy.

*drive by posting*

I agree. Nobody is changing the position of another.

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

It's hard? That shouldn't scare Americans. We do hard things.

Hard and unrealistic are two very different things.

[Joe T]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

……snip....

so it wasn't the rifle that changed……it was the people…


…..which circles us back to society, mental health, etc.

And the medication handed out to children, specifically males, at an early age because parents don't want to parent and teachers don't want to deal with active males. It's much easier to turn them into medicated zombies

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by Joe T

And the medication handed out to children, specifically males, at an early age because parents don't want to parent and teachers don't want to deal with active males. It's much easier to turn them into medicated zombies

Just out of curiosity, are you a Scientologist?
The L Ron Hubbard kind.

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

Just out of curiosity, are you a Scientologist?
The L Ron Hubbard kind.

Is there a different type?

Originally Posted by Joe T

And the medication handed out to children, specifically males, at an early age because parents don't want to parent and teachers don't want to deal with active males. It's much easier to turn them into medicated zombies

Sounds like he is normal and concerned about over medication of the youth which is a real thing. Look at ADD in the 90s. Kids were popping Ritalin like tictacs. Now we let's minors take pills that will make them sterile for life because they are going through a phase. Or they throw them on antidepressants which kills their sex drive at the same time, really healthy!

[floridaorange]

Originally Posted by Joe T

And the medication handed out to children, specifically males, at an early age because parents don't want to parent and teachers don't want to deal with active males. It's much easier to turn them into medicated zombies

Point!

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by Torgus

Is there a different type?

Sounds like he is normal and concerned about over medication of the youth which is a real thing. Look at ADD in the 90s. Kids were popping Ritalin like tictacs. Now we let's minors take pills that will make them sterile for life because they are going through a phase. Or they throw them on antidepressants which kills their sex drive at the same time, really healthy!

Which medications caused the El Paso shooting? The buffalo shooting? The Uvalde shooting? Or the Highland Park shooting?

Is there a common medication causing the shootings? Or a common ideology? Or a common weapon?

[Joe T]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

Just out of curiosity, are you a Scientologist?
The L Ron Hubbard kind.

I am not, is this one of their "things"

[Captain Blood]

Originally Posted by Joe T

I am not, is this one of their "things"

Yep. They are in complete denial about the benefits of psychiatry and psychology

[Joe T]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

Which medications caused the El Paso shooting? The buffalo shooting? The Uvalde shooting? Or the Highland Park shooting?

Is there a common medication causing the shootings? Or a common ideology? Or a common weapon?

we'll never know because it's much easier to blame "guns" than doctors and big pharma.

.gov already has it's boggieman, ignoring that kids have grown up with semiauto rifles for decades... because these guns are black (with plastic instead of wood) and have flash suppressors.

[Joe T]

Originally Posted by Captain Blood

Yep. They are in complete denial about the benefits of psychiatry and psychology

I am not in denial of either. I have a small samplesize of 2 of my kids, some friends kids, and some nephews and nieces that schools suggested they be medicated for attention issues, and suggestion of potential adhd in elementary schools. Add the fact that schools get additional government/taxpayer funds for students with "special needs" and it becomes a covert money grab at the cost of children's mental well being

my undergrad degree was in psychology (which means shit, other than I'm not a denier in the need for those people with actual need)

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Joe T

I am not in denial of either. I have a small samplesize of 2 of my kids, some friends kids, and some nephews and nieces that schools suggested they be medicated for attention issues, and suggestion of potential adhd in elementary schools. Add the fact that schools get additional government/taxpayer funds for students with "special needs" and it becomes a covert money grab at the cost of children's mental well being

my undergrad degree was in psychology (which means shit, other than I'm not a denier in the need for those people with actual need)

…..and you wouldn't be wrong. Every behavioral issue is now given an alphabet diagnosis and prescribed some sort of medication to combat the issue. I have lost track of the acronyms and the long list of drugs prescribed (…e.g….Xanax, Wellbutrin, Zoloft, Celexa, Haldol, etc.). Literally every teenager I run into is on some prescribed anti-depressant, anti-anxiety or psych medication.