Parañaque City plane crash

Express · 12-12-2011, 07:10 PM

did anyone hear about this? the video is really hard to watch..

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story...sh-rises-to-14

BMWinNorthdakota · 12-12-2011, 07:18 PM

Scary. Seems like more twins have been crashing compared to singles lately...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Be...ueen_Air_crash

Looks extremely dramatic... Curious to see what happened

Kroy · 12-12-2011, 07:19 PM

that was unreal..

Greeney · 12-12-2011, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWinNorthdakota

Scary. Seems like more twins have been crashing compared to singles lately...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Be...ueen_Air_crash

Looks extremely dramatic... Curious to see what happened

Light twin = twice the risk of death

ragingclue · 12-12-2011, 07:25 PM

...into an Elementary school?

That's awful.

Q4P · 12-12-2011, 07:26 PM

Pretty sad, RIP to everyone and it is very difficult to say exactly what happened but it looks like a pretty classic case of stall during turn and spin to me. The left wing loses it and the plane rolls; even with an engine failure with that speed; the best thing to do is best glide speed and continue on forward if you are losing speed. A minimum turn in that situation can lead to stall and then spin.

A lot of speculation at this point but not much else could have happened here.

BMWinNorthdakota · 12-12-2011, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Greeney

Light twin = twice the risk of death

HIGHLY arguable topic among all aviators.

BMWinNorthdakota · 12-12-2011, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Questforpower

Pretty sad, RIP to everyone and it is very difficult to say exactly what happened but it looks like a pretty classic case of stall during turn and spin to me. The left wing loses it and the plane rolls; even with an engine failure with that speed; the best thing to do is best glide speed and continue on forward if you are losing speed. A minimum turn in that situation can lead to stall and then spin.

A lot of speculation at this point but not much else could have happened here.

+1 That was my premonition after a second viewing. "Fell" out of the sky.

The Ghost of Tom Joad · 12-12-2011, 07:38 PM

Definitely an approach stall. He was in incipient stall for a good while before it broke that dramatically. Otherwise, that was controlled flight.

The Ghost of Tom Joad · 12-12-2011, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWinNorthdakota

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greeney

Light twin = twice the risk of death

HIGHLY arguable topic among all aviators.

It's not even debatable. Twins are safer.

WillS · 12-12-2011, 08:02 PM

Twins are safer if the pilot stays in front of the aircraft.

This looks like a classic stall/spin on an approach/low pass.

Q4P · 12-12-2011, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Ghost of Tom Joad

It's not even debatable. Twins are safer.

I think they are safer in the "I have 2 engines to get me where I'm going if shit goes down with one way". Meaning on takeoff and landing if one goes out obviously you can go way further but at the same time; they are more difficult to fly in case of an emergency so it takes much more training to fly a multi. You have higher P-factor and TQ effects and the wings are heavier with those engines on both sides so it is much easier to get one into a spin. A lot of pilots may be overconfident in twins coming from a single which is why training and experience is key.

GregTheStig · 12-12-2011, 08:33 PM

That was insane... god damn

Mr.RT · 12-12-2011, 11:32 PM

Saw it on the filipino news yesterday! Crazy

AldanaBenni · 12-13-2011, 12:49 AM

RIP to everyone and it is very difficult to say exactly

Greeney · 12-13-2011, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by The Ghost of Tom Joad

It's not even debatable. Twins are safer.

I dont know, when I was working on my ME rating we performed a bunch of single engine go arounds obviously. The TwinStar didn't climb over 50-100fpm at VYSE, sure it gave me a little more time but overall shit performance. Remember i'm only talking about light twins here.

Gregxi · 12-13-2011, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by WillS

Twins are safer if the pilot stays in front of the aircraft.

This looks like a classic stall/spin on an approach/low pass.

He got behind it, I was wondering if he came out of the clouds and became was disorientated, looking for the field and ignoring the warnings in the cockpit.

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BMWinNorthdakota Banned 244 Rep 1,106 Posts Drives: 2007 bmw 335i e90 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fargo ND iTrader: (0)	Scary. Seems like more twins have been crashing compared to singles lately... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Be...ueen_Air_crash Looks extremely dramatic... Curious to see what happened
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ragingclue One cam is enough 130 Rep 6,801 Posts Drives: VF Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: mulletville iTrader: (1)	...into an Elementary school? That's awful.
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Q4P Colonel 83 Rep 2,291 Posts Drives: Too Much Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: World iTrader: (0)	Pretty sad, RIP to everyone and it is very difficult to say exactly what happened but it looks like a pretty classic case of stall during turn and spin to me. The left wing loses it and the plane rolls; even with an engine failure with that speed; the best thing to do is best glide speed and continue on forward if you are losing speed. A minimum turn in that situation can lead to stall and then spin. A lot of speculation at this point but not much else could have happened here. __________________ 2jZ + RB26 + 4G63 + LS9 + N54 =
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The Ghost of Tom Joad Banned 20 Rep 44 Posts Drives: B744 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Up In The Air iTrader: (0)	Definitely an approach stall. He was in incipient stall for a good while before it broke that dramatically. Otherwise, that was controlled flight.
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WillS Enlisted Member 1 Rep 39 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: AR iTrader: (0)	Twins are safer if the pilot stays in front of the aircraft. This looks like a classic stall/spin on an approach/low pass.
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