[ezaircon4jc]

"Kill switches" mandatory in new cars.

It gets even better: Barr points out that the bill, which has been signed into law by President Biden, states that the kill switch, which is referred to as a safety device, must “passively monitor the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle to accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired.” In other words, Big Brother will constantly be monitoring how you drive. If you do something the system has been programmed to recognize as driver impairment, your car could just shut off, which could be incredibly dangerous.

There is the possibility the kill switch program might measure your driving as impaired, then when you try to start the car up again the engine won’t fire up. That would potentially leave you stranded.

But wait, there’s more. This kill switch “safety” system would be open, or in other words there would be a backdoor. That would allow police or other government authorities to access it whenever. Would they need a warrant to do that? Likely not. Even better, hackers could access the backdoor and shut down your vehicle.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techn...b1ff2ede6f50e6

[M_Six]

I suppose we should be happy we got a 38 year reprieve. Although some of the newer "Smart Mirrors" for exercising and the smart TVs we have are straight out of that novel.

[Joe T]

guys I'm done buying new cars

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Joe T

guys I'm done buying new cars

+1

[RickFLM4]

Gonna be a bunch of people with mobile phones standing around wondering what happened when they stop for gas (or charge, I suppose).

[M_Six]

The electronics in my car already drive me nuts. Doors lock when you don't want them to and refuse to lock when you do. The stupid "smart" parking brake gets stuck sometimes and won't let you move the car if the driver's door is open. The shift lever is a joke and if you leave the car running and walk away with the key, it can fail to find the key again when you return. So then you cannot stop the engine. And if the key is not in your pocket but is within 30ft or so of the car, it's possible to start the car and drive away. So if Wifey has her key in her purse and I forget to grab mine on the way out the door, it's possible for me to start the car, take her to work, and then drive home with no key and have no way to kill the engine when I get there. (This actually happened.) I miss my E38 and E39 era cars.

[ASAP]

Insanity but Europe has been leading the way in authoritarian auto rules since the early 2000s... this goes back to speed cameras, making radar detectors illegal, overbearing enforcement etc.

I think one of the pushes for EVs from the govt comes in exactly this form... there is far more control, tracking and disabling... people don't seem to care.

[Frostynorth]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Insanity but Europe has been leading the way in authoritarian auto rules since the early 2000s... this goes back to speed cameras, making radar detectors illegal, overbearing enforcement etc.

I think one of the pushes for EVs from the govt comes in exactly this form... there is far more control, tracking and disabling... people don't seem to care.

Yeah, people generally never care until it's too late.

[DETRoadster]

Look on the bright side, 95% of the Prius drivers on the road will have their cars just shut off on them, thus removing them as slow rolling hazards they are.

In all seriousness, I do wonder how the average Prius driver would be impacted. Their penchant for driving well under the speed limit while still unable to maintain basic control of their vehicle has got to look a lot like the "impairment" this system will be looking for.

[M_Six]

I don't understand why they've never pushed for simple, common sense safety features like automatic headlights in low light or if the windshield wipers are running. I see so many idiots driving in poor light or visibility conditions with no headlights on. Making headlights come on automatically under low light or rain situations would be a minor and inexpensive fix.

[dreamingat30fps]

Don't a lot of cars have this type of stuff already like onstar? I recall seeing a video of a police chase where the car was stopped via onstar. Not that it should be a thing, but seems manufacturers have already been doing it without the government asking.

[shawnhayes]

Originally Posted by M_Six

The electronics in my car already drive me nuts. Doors lock when you don't want them to and refuse to lock when you do. The stupid "smart" parking brake gets stuck sometimes and won't let you move the car if the driver's door is open. The shift lever is a joke and if you leave the car running and walk away with the key, it can fail to find the key again when you return. So then you cannot stop the engine. And if the key is not in your pocket but is within 30ft or so of the car, it's possible to start the car and drive away. So if Wifey has her key in her purse and I forget to grab mine on the way out the door, it's possible for me to start the car, take her to work, and then drive home with no key and have no way to kill the engine when I get there. (This actually happened.) I miss my E38 and E39 era cars.

This could be solved by requiring the key to be put into a receiver in the car. Or you could just require yourself to put YOUR key in the cupholder when you drive. It'd be the same as your E38 and E39. No key no drive.

Shawn

[3.0L]

I think the "kill switch" is not quite accurate:

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-402773429497

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Don't a lot of cars have this type of stuff already like onstar? I recall seeing a video of a police chase where the car was stopped via onstar. Not that it should be a thing, but seems manufacturers have already been doing it without the government asking.

Onstar is the main reason I will never buy a GM car.

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by 3.0L

I think the "kill switch" is not quite accurate:

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-402773429497

and nothing in the bill gives law enforcement access to those systems.

Until the 1st judge gives them access.

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by Onesie

You don’t think your BMW has it?

It probably has an "event recorder," but not a tracking device like OnStar.

[Kilabyte]

I'll be buying one subscription service, the jailbroken app that defeats that.

[3.0L]

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

Until the 1st judge gives them access.

The solution seems pretty simple: Don't drive impaired or drunk.

[Esteban]

Have a Happy and Safe New Year, everybody!

Use Uber, or Lyft, or a cab, or a designated driver, or stay home.

[Our03z4]

Originally Posted by 3.0L

The solution seems pretty simple: Don't drive impaired or drunk.

You don't think it will eventually be used for other things, speeding or such or even just hitting your "carbon limit for the week"? Don't give an inch or they'll take it a mile, ya know the whole snowball thing is real.

[H2O_Doc]

Hyperbole and hysteria is alive and well.

[BMWILUVU]

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

It probably has an "event recorder," but not a tracking device like OnStar.

Our cars have GPS position, it wouldn't take much to begin logging it and relay that information in real-time or at a point-in-time. The DME controls everything in the car, its fathomable that a message to the DME could trigger a series of drive-train faults as a kill switch of sorts or worse.