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      05-26-2016, 03:07 AM   #23
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Good grief! A 2010 review...much has progressed since then
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Good grief! A 2010 review...much has progressed since then
Good news! Laws of physics are defeated? I missed that.
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If you compare a modern RWD car like the F20 to an old E21 (3 series from the seventies), the basic physics is the same. The traction in slippery conditions is however very different. A lot has happened to chassis tuning and geometry, and tyre technology. While the E21 could hardly get out of the garage in snowy conditions, the F20 will go safely all the way to the ski slopes without the need for AWD.

I have been driving around in Norway with RWD and studless tyres since previous millennium, and I have got stuck fewer times than I can count with one hand. And every time it was just a matter of trying again with slightly more speed. You have to be a rather lousy driver or drive in rather extreme conditions to need AWD in 2016.
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If you compare a modern RWD car like the F20 to an old E21 (3 series from the seventies), the basic physics is the same. The traction in slippery conditions is however very different. A lot has happened to chassis tuning and geometry, and tyre technology. While the E21 could hardly get out of the garage in snowy conditions, the F20 will go safely all the way to the ski slopes without the need for AWD.

I have been driving around in Norway with RWD and studless tyres since previous millennium, and I have got stuck fewer times than I can count with one hand. And every time it was just a matter of trying again with slightly more speed. You have to be a rather lousy driver or drive in rather extreme conditions to need AWD in 2016.

Totally agree.

Many Snow field trips in NZ driving my Hillman Hunter on snow covered gravel roads were fun. Our Olympic provided cars at the 1994 Winter Olympics were rear drive Volvo's and had no problems at all driving in snow.
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I have been driving around in Norway with RWD and studless tyres since previous millennium, and I have got stuck fewer times than I can count with one hand. And every time it was just a matter of trying again with slightly more speed. You have to be a rather lousy driver or drive in rather extreme conditions to need AWD in 2016.
Same for me with Australia's loose gravel country roads. However, the X1 is my wife's car, and AWD does add a measure of additional safety and security. In addition, the X1's suspension and ride height makes for better ride and comfort on these roads.

Unfortunately, many of Australia's country roads have *deteriorated* over the last 20 years -- too many heavy vehicles.
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Same for me with Australia's loose gravel country roads. However, the X1 is my wife's car, and AWD does add a measure of additional safety and security. In addition, the X1's suspension and ride height makes for better ride and comfort on these roads.

Unfortunately, many of Australia's country roads have *deteriorated* over the last 20 years -- too many heavy vehicles.
I thought our Kiwi roads were bad until I drove in Australia
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Last night with my 116i as pick up 225xe tomorrow
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All I'll say I made a good choice buying the 225xe after taking delivery today.
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