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      01-26-2009, 09:01 PM   #45
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People seem to beat around the bush whenever it comes to discussion of hip hop or rap...there is always covert racism when the music is critiqued.
Its not so much racism. I have no problem with people listening to any kind of music they can relate to. The question is how one group of people can relate to the life experiences of another group of people who have lived 180 degree different lives and lifestyles.

How the fuck does a suburban upper middle class kid with a BMW relate to some guy from the hood who potentially knows no dad and has a prostitute for a mom? What exactly do you have to be angry about? How much drug dealing have you seen? How many drive-bys have you been a part of? How many friends have you lost to violence?

Try driving your 335 down the streets of compton bumping your hip hop with your hat turned to the side and see how well received you are LOL I dont think you will garner a lot of respect from the people in the areas where hip hop was born.

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listen to the lyrics of every song i just posted disregarding the ones by the army of the pharaohs, then try to make that general statement again.
I dont know who posted it, but its in this thread that is supposed to be the "elite" of rap, oops, I mean hip hop.

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Its not so much racism. I have no problem with people listening to any kind of music they can relate to. The question is how one group of people can relate to the life experiences of another group of people who have lived 180 degree different lives and lifestyles.

How the fuck does a suburban upper middle class kid with a BMW relate to some guy from the hood who potentially knows no dad and has a prostitute for a mom? What exactly do you have to be angry about? How much drug dealing have you seen? How many drive-bys have you been a part of? How many friends have you lost to violence?

Try driving your 335 down the streets of compton bumping your hip hop with your hat turned to the side and see how well received you are LOL I dont think you will garner a lot of respect from the people in the areas where hip hop was born.

Oh, BTW, hows France in the summer?
Why behave in such a way and offend everyone that enjoys something different than you?

Who the hell is talking about ''relating?" Why must one have to relate with EVERYTHING we listen to. Sometimes its just all about the beat. Why do you think the industry has done so damn well. NOT BECAUSE WE ALL RELATE. Figure it out. I've caught my parents listening to hip hop and the like to. Trust me when I say it, they are ''upper crust.'' Its because we like how it sounds. Recent hip/hop hasnt even mostly been about angry stuff. Drive down a street blasting Mozart, you'll get looks too. Who cares. You're just upset that he nailed it right on the head.

Have you ever watched a gangster movie. Lets say "Untouchables" or "Casino." Why watch it? Its not like were part of teamsters. In the end, you wont have to get it. People like Jay Z, 50 Cent, Eminem, P.Diddy, ICE Cube, Dre. Dre, Russell Simmons, etc. will continue to make rake in 9 figures. Yes, nine, XXX,XXX,XXX. They know their target audience and how to market it.


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People seem to beat around the bush whenever it comes to discussion of hip hop or rap...there is always covert racism when the music is critiqued. Like we have all heard before....people fear what they dont understand. Self expression and storytelling has been around since the beginning of time, its just easier for some to label hip hop/rap as negative.


Perfect man. The more Fraggy speaks, the more he amplifies what you said.
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listen to the lyrics of every song i just posted disregarding the ones by the army of the pharaohs, then try to make that general statement again.
Soul Position - No Excuse for Loving: You can relate to being a knocked up teenager in the hood?


RJD2/Soul Position - Right Place, Wrong Time
Not bad at all, but I didnt hear any rap either.

AOTP is so many of your links though.
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Why behave in such a way and offend everyone that enjoys something different than you?

Who the hell is talking about ''relating?" Why must one have to relate with EVERYTHING we listen to. Sometimes its just all about the beat. Why do you think the industry has done so damn well. NOT BECAUSE WE ALL RELATE. Figure it out. I've caught my parents listening to hip hop and the like to. Trust me when I say it, they are ''upper crust.'' Its because we like how it sounds. Recent hip/hop hasnt even mostly been about angry stuff. Drive down a street blasting Mozart, you'll get looks too. Who cares. You're just upset that he nailed it right on the head.

Have you ever watched a gangster movie. Lets say "Untouchables" or "Casino." Why watch it? Its not like were part of teamsters. In the end, you wont have to get it. People like Jay Z, 50 Cent, Eminem, P.Diddy, ICE Cube, Dre. Dre, Russell Simmons, etc. will continue to make rake in 9 figures. Yes, nine, XXX,XXX,XXX. They know their target audience and how to market it.
Im just here to fuck with you guys, I said that early on, and surely, you keep responding to me I could care less what you listen to, I just hate most rap, thats all.

I just wanted to see how smart some of you are. How good of an argument you guys can make. I saw some good, and I saw some not so good.

You did a good job until the end when you started quoting target audiences, etc. When NWA and the other pioneers created this type of music, I highly doubt that young, upper middle class teens was their target. Their music spoke with anger and frustration at the lives they had to live while others drove fancy cars and lived in nice safe neighborhoods, in big houses, and not getting fucked with by the police.

This music was born on the back of those much less fortunate than you. I hope that you keep that front and center as you enjoy what they have created.

Well, Im out! Enjoy your thread, and thanks for the good times!

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Im just here to fuck with you guys, I said that early on, and surely, you keep responding to me I could care less what you listen to, I just hate most rap, thats all.

I just wanted to see how smart some of you are. How good of an argument you guys can make. I saw some good, and I saw some not so good.

You did a good job until the end when you started quoting target audiences, etc. When NWA and the other pioneers created this type of music, I highly doubt that young, upper middle class teens was their target. Their music spoke with anger and frustration at the lives they had to live while others drove fancy cars and lived in nice safe neighborhoods, in big houses, and not getting fucked with by the police.

This music was born on the back of those much less fortunate than you. I hope that you keep that front and center as you enjoy what they have created.

Well, Im out! Enjoy your thread, and thanks for the good times!

Peace!
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listen to the lyrics of every song i just posted disregarding the ones by the army of the pharaohs, then try to make that general statement again.

the majority of rap (and mainstream hip hop) talks about bling, killin cops and living the thug life. good shit consists of deep lyrics about stories, the hip hop universe's present state, politics, religion, or something with meaning. in fact, most of the hip hop i listen to has way more meaning than any of the shit on the radio, hip hop/rap or otherwise.
+1.. I actually studied hip-hop as a culture. It's wwaayy deeper and also wwaayy different then you average GAY ASS soulja boy or bow wow. People sayin stuff like all they talk about is this and that: well that's only true if your close-minded and take what you see on MTV as a generalization of what hip-hop is as a whole. Do yourself a favor and read up instead of making yourselves look stupid.
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In the new Reef the Lost Cauze album, A Vicious Cycle, someone makes a statement at the end of a song saying that getting into the game is like finding out there is no Santa Clause. People don't really go around carrying 10k in their pockets, they don't really kill dudes on a nightly basis, etc.

Hip Hop shouldn't always be taken literally. Its basis is the mastery of language and the crafting of metaphors, hooks, bars, etc. No, I didn't grow up in the hood, but I've had my share of struggles and conflicts that I had to overcome, and that's what hip hop stands for: the ability to work through your tough times and come out successful.

I'm sure many people can relate to that.
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Have any of you guys seen the movie Notorious yet? I've heard some good feedback and read some positive reviews.
I think I'm gonna go see it some time this week.
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Have any of you guys seen the movie Notorious yet? I've heard some good feedback and read some positive reviews.
I think I'm gonna go see it some time this week.
i saw it this evening, definitely worth checking out imo
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Soul Position - No Excuse for Loving: You can relate to being a knocked up teenager in the hood?


RJD2/Soul Position - Right Place, Wrong Time
Not bad at all, but I didnt hear any rap either.

AOTP is so many of your links though.
i don't have to relate to them. my point is that not everything is about killing, stealing, etc.
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Im just here to fuck with you guys, I said that early on, and surely, you keep responding to me I could care less what you listen to, I just hate most rap, thats all.

I just wanted to see how smart some of you are. How good of an argument you guys can make. I saw some good, and I saw some not so good.

You did a good job until the end when you started quoting target audiences, etc. When NWA and the other pioneers created this type of music, I highly doubt that young, upper middle class teens was their target. Their music spoke with anger and frustration at the lives they had to live while others drove fancy cars and lived in nice safe neighborhoods, in big houses, and not getting fucked with by the police.

This music was born on the back of those much less fortunate than you. I hope that you keep that front and center as you enjoy what they have created.

Well, Im out! Enjoy your thread, and thanks for the good times!

Peace!
ok that's not unusual or antyhing.

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+1.. I actually studied hip-hop as a culture. It's wwaayy deeper and also wwaayy different then you average GAY ASS soulja boy or bow wow. People sayin stuff like all they talk about is this and that: well that's only true if your close-minded and take what you see on MTV as a generalization of what hip-hop is as a whole. Do yourself a favor and read up instead of making yourselves look stupid.
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In the new Reef the Lost Cauze album, A Vicious Cycle, someone makes a statement at the end of a song saying that getting into the game is like finding out there is no Santa Clause. People don't really go around carrying 10k in their pockets, they don't really kill dudes on a nightly basis, etc.

Hip Hop shouldn't always be taken literally. Its basis is the mastery of language and the crafting of metaphors, hooks, bars, etc. No, I didn't grow up in the hood, but I've had my share of struggles and conflicts that I had to overcome, and that's what hip hop stands for: the ability to work through your tough times and come out successful.

I'm sure many people can relate to that.
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i saw it this evening, definitely worth checking out imo
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Its not so much racism. I have no problem with people listening to any kind of music they can relate to. The question is how one group of people can relate to the life experiences of another group of people who have lived 180 degree different lives and lifestyles.

How the fuck does a suburban upper middle class kid with a BMW relate to some guy from the hood who potentially knows no dad and has a prostitute for a mom? What exactly do you have to be angry about? How much drug dealing have you seen? How many drive-bys have you been a part of? How many friends have you lost to violence?

Try driving your 335 down the streets of compton bumping your hip hop with your hat turned to the side and see how well received you are LOL I dont think you will garner a lot of respect from the people in the areas where hip hop was born.

Oh, BTW, hows France in the summer?

So True, how can you relate to hustling the streets on a corner till 5am in the morning...
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So True, how can you relate to hustling the streets on a corner till 5am in the morning...
why do you have to relate
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why do you have to relate
If you can't relate you're just a poser now aren't you
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If you can't relate you're just a poser now aren't you
nope. i love the lyrics. i love the beats. i love everything about underground hip hop. i don't give two shits about what people think when it comes to my taste in music.

i can't say i relate to the lyrics in most of the music i listen to. it's nice when i can, but that's just the icing on top of the cake.
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besides, your principle can relate to any form of music.
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besides, your principle can relate to any form of music.
Considering most "good" rap music is heavily reliant on strong, compelling lyrics, this isn't entirely true.

I'm not bashing you for liking rap, because I really don't care. I am using this opportunity more like a probe to examine why people better off like this music so much.
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why do you have to relate
when i grew up listening to rap it was the early 90's and most only at the time african americans could relate because they talked about everyday situations that was going in the black community but now rap is a little different so now its more of every races neighborhood because u now have more other nationalities rapping, but in 90's no way..
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when i grew up listening to rap it was the early 90's and most only at the time african americans could relate because they talked about everyday situations that was going in the black community but now rap is a little different so now its more of every races neighborhood because u now have more other nationalities rapping, but in 90's no way..
yeah true points, but what i'm saying is that you don't necessarily have to relate to the songs.

skateboarders/surfers listen to this ish all the time and i know for sure that most of em can't relate. they like it 'cause it's good music, plain and simple.
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Personally, I don't listen to hiphop/underground hiphop because I relate to it. And I only like a certain style of hiphop...it's gotta be east-coast '94/'95 type of sound. Like queensbridge/philly kind of style. I don't like half the underground music. Like I said it's all preference.
dude, completely. east coast rap/hip hop ftw.
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Having said that, I think the reason mainstream rap exists in its current form is because there is a demand for it. Whether you agree or not, people wanna see big booty hoes in videos, want to hear about killings, drugs, power, blah blah blah.

Humans are evil. Plain and simple. Little by little all moral standards are eroding in our society. I'll tell you, if there were no laws and prisons, men would go raping women left and right, jerk off in the streets, go on killing sprees, etc... That's why people demand all this crap on the radio...trust me, people want even worse, but the FCC won't allow further trash on the radio for the moment.
couldn't have said it better myself.
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