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      06-09-2017, 05:20 PM   #1
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BMW M140i xDrive 5 Door - why not in the US?

Wonder why we don't have this in the states? Would you get one?
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Wonder why we don't have this in the states? Would you get one?
Combination hot rod and people hauler.

https://www.bmw.com/en/all-models/1-...rformance.html
I would buy one in a second and it would be my daily driver

Really wish BMW USA would pull their heads out of their arses.....they are almost as bad as VWoA in this regard
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BMWNA probably figures that there are not that many people who would pay close to M2 money for a hot hatch. The only car segment that's selling well in the US is SAV's and SUV's.

Base price for a M140i xDrive is 49.400 euros before any options.

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I'd rather have a coupe or a sedan. Not something that looks like a small station wagon. If I was going for that look, I'd rather have an SUV with more ground clearance and storage.
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BMWNA probably figures that there are not that many people who would pay close to M2 money for a hot hatch. The only car segment that's selling well in the US is SAV's and SUV's.

Base price for a M140i xDrive is 49.400 euros before any options.


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In looking at the UK prices and comparing to US

The M240 in UK is almost 36k UK Pound

Sells for 44k in the US

The M140 in UK is 31,800 UK Pound which would put it into a price range of the VW R......which it would blow out of the water....and have more interior room

Its smaller brother with a B46 would blow the GTI out of the water as well as the Mini.....which is more likely the issue
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Is M140 x-drive? Golf R is AWD, about the same speed and probably better fuel economy. Also looks like the BMW will be more cramped in the rear.
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Is M140 x-drive? Golf R is AWD, about the same speed and probably better fuel economy. Also looks like the BMW will be more cramped in the rear.
It's an option on the M140i and heck even the M240i.

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I know it is on the 2 but was trying to understand more of an apples to apples price comparison to the Golf R.
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I know it is on the 2 but was trying to understand more of an apples to apples price comparison to the Golf R.
In the US the Golf R is ~39-40k USD

The M140 would list for 40-41k USD

Personally I would much prefer the rear wheel bias of the BWM X-Drive over the Haldex AWD VW R.....if only they would offer the Bimmer with a 6MT in combination with XDrive.....
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I find it really hard to believe BMW would sell it for that low in the US. A fully loaded 135is was $51k MSRP back in 2013. This would be four doors and AWD. An M240i xdrive35i loaded up is about $52k. So I'd guess, it would be closer to $50k.
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I really hope BMW does bring this car in the US, not in Xdrive only version.

Perhaps they could price the M140i at the mid to high 30s naked (no nav, no x-drive), to compete with the STi, Golf R folks, with a touch of extra comfort.

Although I think the 2 series has nice proportions, I'd much rather have the extra 2 doors without having to get a bulky SUV.

Right now, I don't think BMW has any expansion plans given that the sales are tanking. They have to figure out what is going on with their current cars first. *ahem horrible lease deals ahem*
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I really hope BMW does bring this car in the US, not in Xdrive only version.
The F20 1 Series goes out of production mid-2019, so there is no chance it is coming to the US.

The next generation F40 1 Series will move to the FWD UKL platform. This means that the M140i will go away - replaced by an M135i with a high output version of the B48 4 cylinder engine and a Haldex AWD system. In that regard, the car will be very similar to an S3 Sportback or Mercedes A Class (though Mercedes curiously offers no ~300hp version of that car - only ~200hp and ~400hp). Note that those cars are not offered in the US either (well, except the e-tron A3).

It remains to be seen if BMW intends to offer a four or five door car smaller than a 3 Series in the US. A 2 Series Gran Coupe is possible, although with the merging of the Gran Coupe and Gran Turismo models under the 4 and 6 Series umbrellas, a 2 Series GC looks even less likely now (there is already a 2 Series GT on UKL). It is still possible that the 1 Series sedan will eventually make its way to the US, but that car is not necessarily exciting (even in the upcoming M135i guise).

With the rapid growth of SUVs and decline in passenger car sales in the US, BMW may be planning to just go with the X1 and X2 as their entry level vehicles here.
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With the rapid growth of SUVs and decline in passenger car sales in the US, BMW may be planning to just go with the X1 and X2 as their entry level vehicles here.
Pisses me off that because the bloody americans don't buy wagons, we get lumped into the same group for here in Canada. We love our wagons! I would love to have a manual hot little wagon.
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Pisses me off that because the bloody americans don't buy wagons, we get lumped into the same group for here in Canada. We love our wagons! I would love to have a manual hot little wagon.
I don't understand why either. Americans love SUVs and Sedans, but hate wagons and hatchbacks (exception to VW Golf, which appears to be very popular).

hatchbacks got that bash maybe because of honda brappers (the school guy who has a 10k budget but spends half of that in tuning and half in an old car)

If BMW is going full blown FWD based AWD hatchback, then I just rather take the Golf R instead. It's such a fine ride, under 40k new and 292 horses.
If they do offer the 2 series gran coupe, I do wish it comes in manual transmission, 6 cylinders and RWD (6MT not offered in the 4 series GC).
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In that regard, the car will be very similar to an S3 Sportback or Mercedes A Class (though Mercedes curiously offers no ~300hp version of that car - only ~200hp and ~400hp). Note that those cars are not offered in the US either (well, except the eTron A3).
Although they don't offer the A series in the US, they offer the GLA suv with the A45 setup. Personally, that "suv" actually sits as high as my 2 series and I would classify that more of a hatchback than a suv.
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I don't understand why either. Americans love SUVs and Sedans, but hate wagons and hatchbacks (exception to VW Golf, which appears to be very popular).
It is not just the Golf. Compact and sub-compact hatchbacks in general sell reasonably well. In fact over the past decade or so, dozens have been introduced to the American market. Nearly every major manufacturer now has a compact and subcompact hatchback. Ironically VW still does not offer a subcompact in the US (probably comes down to lack of margin).

The general rule is that when it comes to premium automobiles, Americans prefer a five door SUV to a five door traditional passenger car. In other words hatchbacks tend to have a low budget stigma attached to them. I should add that exception is coupe-ish hatchbacks like an A7 or 4 Series GC. But those don't offer the same space efficiency as a typical two-box hatchback.

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Although they don't offer the A series in the US, they offer the GLA suv with the A45 setup. Personally, that "suv" actually sits as high as my 2 series and I would classify that more of a hatchback than a suv.
Despite your personal choice of classification, the GLA is nevertheless an SUV, albeit a fairly sporty looking one. The new X2 will relate to the next 1 Series in exactly the same way the GLA relates to the A Class. Regarding the AMG model specifically, yes it has lower suspension but still the same body.

The key here is to acknowledge the fact that if manufacturers simply took existing SUVs on the market and made them a little lower, that would not suddenly negate the demand for true hatchbacks. Even if I take a Cayenne, chop it, channel it, and drop it to the ground, I didn't just out Panamera the Panamera. In fact, in many ways I've bastardized the SUV to the point that I now have neither a useful truck nor particularly sporty car.

That said, it is true that a true X2 M would be an interesting model if BMW were to offer it. Unfortunately, there does not appear to be any plans for a model above the X2 M35i. Sure, it'll likely be fun, but a true GLA45 and Q3 RS competitor would be even better.
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if only they would offer the Bimmer with a 6MT in combination with XDrive.....
They used to, on an e84, x35i.
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Is M140 x-drive?
For the M140i, X-drive AWD is available (only in LHD versions, not yet available for RHD.....probably next-gen)
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This car would be the one to finally get my dad into a BMW. Poor guy can barely get into my F30 because it sits too low for his stature, and my car is stock height at the moment.

He loves his hatchbacks tho...sadly it doesn't look like BMW N/A plans to appease his demographic anytime soon.
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They used to, on an e84, x35i.

They offered this with a 6MT? Most I saw had the ZF8 (which was pretty quick).
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Pisses me off that because the bloody americans don't buy wagons, we get lumped into the same group for here in Canada. We love our wagons! I would love to have a manual hot little wagon.
Thank Carter and his CAFE rules for killing the station wagon. It was intended to get us all into fuel efficient cars. Instead it got us into gas guzzling SUVs. Bravo!

I don't see my required 6mt.
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