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My problem is the FWD being trickled into the "regular" series, be it the 1 or any other...I was under the impression that the "i" designation was slated for FWD, but that the 1,3,5, and 7 would always be RWD.... I understand that the company wants to stay independent...and wants to sell more vehicles...but this type of thinking, aka "we are the car company that can do everything" hasn't worked out historically...just ask Ford and GM... When you go this route, you lose your brand identity...hard to imagine vehicles like this as "the ultimate driving machine".... How do #1 premium car company and FWD econobox go together? That's right, they don't...
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If they want fuel economy why don't the do something truly "independent", like make rear-engine RWD economy cars that can be safe with driver aids but still fun for the tweakers and sport drivers? They have Mini for a reason...... |
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Just stick with what got you here--the formula has worked for a long time...add in all the wonderful new technology and engineering you want, but keeping the overall message and focus the same...but you start going in this direction and plenty of people will get turned off...
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I am excited about this. Heres why... First off, I dont like the design, I dont like Front wheel drive, nor do I really care about megacity, eco, or passenger oriented vehicles. BUT, I do LOVE and value my M3, I loved my previous M3s, and even non-M BMWs I've owned. With that said, BMW NEEDS to make money. While its so easy for us to sit back and criticize the decisions being made to offer these small, FF vehicles and non performance oriented vehicles, BMW is fighting one heck of a difficult battle against the likes of audi and MB. Unlike BMW, Audi has an incredible amount of resources at its disposal. Technology, information, parts, and MONEY are shared amongst the parent company VW. Audi's family is very big. Audi is part of a 10 BRAND family including VW, Porsche, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Bentley, to name a few. Whereas BMW only has BMW, Mini, and license to Rolls Royce. BMW does not have 16-20k eco cars like VW does that are insane money makers for VW and in return fund Audi to make cars that will eventually kick BMWs ass. Nor does BMW have insanely HIGH profit yielding vehicles that Porsche does as the highest profit margin auto maker in the world. So, do you want BMW to start charging you $150,000 for an M3? Do you want BMW to lose in the long run against Audi due to lack of funds and resources? Or would you rather they make a new "money maker" segment like eco FF passenger cars to fund the development of the enthusiast cars we REALLY like?? I'm all for it. BMW, make what you have to make, weather it be ugly, front wheel drive, whatever... as long as you make enough money to afford to make the badass cars you are known for making, without having to water them down or passing high cost over to your loyal clients. Bravo on your efforts to do it on your own, instead of merging or selling the BMW brand to a bigger company to survive.
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01-26-2011, 04:32 PM | #31 | |
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I am a bit confused. Is the new 1 series going to be FWD? Do the 1 series coupe and convertible as we know them go away, or do these reemerge as the 2 series?
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alot of comedy and pissed of people in this thread for the right reasons. I like it.
Scott, from a business standpoint, i understand why BMW is expanding down this road if only to lose marketshare if not? If so can you explain why market share is a big deal? It doesn't help avoid a buy out or does it? Thanks, |
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I think Scott said(in past threads): that at first, the new one series (F20 1er) will be RWD - like in the photos of the red (or white) car(s) with snow chains on the rear wheels. Then later, over time... the 1er will evolve into FWD. I suspect the 1er GT will be the first of this new FWD platform. Probably all of the third generation 1er's will be FWD for sure. Scott also said that the high HP versions of the 1er (ie: 135i and 1M) will remain RWD for the F20 life span. Dackel |
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I actually really like the car and look forward to it. I think that BMW made a huge mistake by not releasing the 1 series hatchback to our market....plus, it also, in an odd kind of way reminds me of...
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why cant we just get the hatch? who decided that Americans want these ugly GT models instead of a hatch?
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Well, I see some explanation on the FWW/RWD dichotomy in the 1 series, but I am not convinced that the next 1 series will offer an I6, although I am sure the 3 series will.
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I think it looks pretty good for its intended market segment.
Besides why are u guys so negative? If you don't like it then don't buy it. Sales of this car is going to fund your future RWD car from BMW.. |
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01-26-2011, 06:56 PM | #42 | |
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This is what's coming in February... And, what I believe Scott is referring too. http://bmwactivatethefuture.com/
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I actually kind of like it. I guess we just have to get used to BMW no longer being only a performance company, but also being a little mainstream. Once they stick to making a few strong performance cars like the M3, I can careless what they do to fatten their wallets.
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