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BMW M135i v Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution v Subaru WRX STI v Volkswagen Golf R
Featured on BIMMERPOST.com http://www.caradvice.com.au/223823/s...swagen-golf-r/ There’s an obvious winner here – it costs the most, but the BMW M135i is an absolute peach to punt hard, is properly quick, and sounds fantastic, yet also feels properly premium in its design and refinement. It also used the least fuel on test, slurping 13.9L/100km compared with 14L/100km for the Evo, 15L/100km for the STI, and a surprising and disappointing 15.2L/100km for the hard-working yet slower Golf R. Quote:
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04-05-2013, 11:02 AM | #3 |
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For those of us on this forum, this is no surprise. I think our real challenger will be A45, especially in Australia where Meecedes has priced it lower than M135i (when optioned up equally).
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04-05-2013, 11:11 AM | #4 |
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Well, that was a gret read. I believe that it's a bit late though for such a test. The competitors of this beast of a bmw is: the new s3/mk7 golf r (once out) and that's about it. The a 45 is definitely not in the m135i range cause its a full blown amg car, yet the 135 is not an m car, not even close. I feel once the 1m or 2m will be out it will crouch the competition (here I'm talking 0-100 times) all in all as cabin wise, comfort: m135i wins. Durability would go for the golf. I feel the s3 is a déjà-vu boring design/model. So the real test is a45amg vs f20 1m (once produced). One of the good things though for the m135i is that it does get compared to a full blown amg model even though its not a full blown "m" mode
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04-05-2013, 11:27 AM | #5 | |
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04-06-2013, 04:43 AM | #6 |
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Agree with WAY... especially in the Australian market, if they are priced in the same bucket, then they will be a direct comparison...
On all honesty, if the Merc came in a manual and its a rear wheel drive, that would be my pick (out of the M135i and A45) |
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04-06-2013, 05:00 AM | #8 |
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If anything the A45 will only outmatch the M135i from 0-60 given the extra horses and 4WD standard. I think when it comes to real world situations the BMW will come out on top, things like mid range overtaking power, driving experience on the road etc.
AMG are going to be pretty miffed if BMW's midway monster outgun's their hot hatch. I think the biggest mistake AMG are making is not putting a 3.0l engine in it. It'll be like Scoobies and Evo's, good for off the line performance but flat after 60. Lets face it how often does anyone have a green light drag race these days |
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No options list for the A45 AMG is out yet, if so please do share.
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As expected $74,900 is the magic number (plus on-road costs). For now Mercedes has confirmed the following specifications with more detail to follow ahead of the car’s local launch in September: 19” wheels AMG Performance Exhaust COMAND Online Intelligent Light System Panoramic Roof AMG Performance Seats with Electric Memory Function DISTRONIC PLUS Blind Spot & Lane Keep Assist driver assistance systems Our previous article suggests you can expect to add night pack/privacy glass, metallic paint, satellite navigation with Bluetooth connectivity, digital radio and Harmon Kardon Hi Fi to the above list of standard features." "The Mercedes-Benz A 45 AMG contains the most powerful series production four-cylinder engine in the world, delivering a maximum output of 265kW and up to 450Nm of torque." Source: Ausmotive.com The 135 is 235kw and 450Nm. |
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04-06-2013, 07:48 PM | #12 |
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Peformance BMW's figures on the rolling road was 254kw with the promise of more to come. I suspect that the MB is already having its neck wrung, so there won't be too many more gains there.
We know who wins the prize for the best looking car, but the all-important driver satisfaction contest is still to be had.
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I agree that 2.0litres with 265kws is huge, not to mention the Nms, so maybe your right re any overhead for tunas. In saying that it is pretty "traditional" for AMG to roll out a Black, who knows, maybe they will drop a 6.2 in |
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04-07-2013, 12:45 AM | #14 |
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The A45 is already running a heap of boost, too, IIRC...maybe 2 Bar???. Lag may be an issue for the stock car, and certainly will be for any tuna
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The good news for us is that BMW's M engineering will have to release the proposed 2lt M1 with similar specs and that means an M chip and tune kits though your BMW dealer to take a 125i to 200+kw and if they do what the BMW M theorist want they will release a M2 with the 6 pot from the135i and charge it to over 350kw Hopefully this will now happen sooner that later. |
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04-07-2013, 03:29 AM | #17 |
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They dyno-tested that silver M135i that was pictured around here recently with a dyno sheet attached. It made 341hp, apparently, which is 254.283656kw.
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Hmmm dyno sheets, we all know what they mean... More argument and debate. Dynos are great for before and after results on the same car on the same day with the same operator, nothing else. They serve to highlight gains against a specific changes.
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The A45 AMG is transversed engined the same as the FWD A class so all the engine, gearbox, transfer box and front diff are all in the engine bay with all the weight on the front wheels. There's not enough room for a straight 6 and I doubt there's enough room for a 3.0V6 and it would further hurt the weight distribution. The M135i produces maximum torque from 1300rpm, the AMG45 requires 2250rpm to get on full boost and produce maximum torque indicating the power will not be as easily accessible and lag maybe more of an issue. Cheers Lee |
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04-07-2013, 07:38 AM | #22 |
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Even Audi didn't want to put the VAG Vr6 into the RS3/TTRS, preferring to build a one-off flat 5 for the job. 6 cylinders and transverse engines don't mix well.
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