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      02-03-2013, 12:38 PM   #1
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F20 on ice

This weekend our F20 was allowed to play with some other cars on a 3 km track on a frozen lake. With studless tires, it was sliding around happily, lap after lap. I was driving very sideways at times, but the car is easy to control, so I got no spin outs, and didn't touch any snowbank. The fake differential brake works very well, and the balance of the car is perfect. I am also very pleased with the steering.

Most of the driving was done in DSC Off mode, which unfortunately forces comfort engine mapping. Very annoying.

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      02-03-2013, 03:11 PM   #2
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Very cool! Any videos?

Is the helmet required for events like these? It seems a bit over the top.

I'd be surprised if it isn't possible to reprogram the car so that you can still be in sport while you have DSC turned off. I mean, there are so many things people have been able to change through programming, so it's plausible that this could also be changed.
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      02-03-2013, 04:05 PM   #3
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I have a couple of inboard videos from a mobile phone, but I haven't figured out how to edit and upload it.

Helmets are required. I have spent some weekends like this, and i have seen some cars flip over. It happens. In an F20, I don't think the helmet makes much of a difference, but in the older cars it definitely helps.

I haven't seen any successful attempts to fix the drive mode in DSC Off yet. It's the same with the F30 range.
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      02-03-2013, 05:03 PM   #4
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I have also had a chance to test the various driving modes a lot in slippery conditions now. The early DSC systems in the E46 did not suit my driving reflexes. When the car stepped sideways, I instinctively corrected with pedals and steering wheel. The DSC also tried to correct with the braks. In total, it was always too much. I could easily lose control of the car after a series of overcorrections. I found it more dangerous to drive around with it enabled than disabled.

In the F20, the DSC is a lot better. It no longer overcorrects. I can still drive faster with DSC Off, since DSC brakes too much (even in Sport+), but I consider it safe. I can leave the systems enabled in public traffic.

The Sport+ setups is biased towards oversteer. It is almost impossible to make it understeer in slippery conditions. It does however allow the back end to step out quite a bit, just the way most BMW drivers prefer.
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      02-03-2013, 05:40 PM   #5
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The early DSC systems in the E46 did not suit my driving reflexes.
I agree on this. It's come a long way since the E46 DSC operated. I have never been driving on a frozen lake, but it sounds fun.
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      02-03-2013, 05:41 PM   #6
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Most of you have probably noticed that the F20/21 gathers a lot of dust on the back side. I got a picture of it after driving in snow...

Not much rearward visibilty.
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      02-04-2013, 04:21 AM   #7
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Wow, great experience and lots of fun!
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      02-04-2013, 07:55 AM   #8
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Like the pictures!! Very cool!!
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      02-04-2013, 07:55 AM   #9
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I think I managed to upload a video to Youtube now:
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      02-04-2013, 05:06 PM   #10
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Great stuff. i wish there were ice lakes near where I live...
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      02-04-2013, 07:20 PM   #11
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Awesome!
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Amazing!!!
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      02-05-2013, 02:39 AM   #13
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Fantastic video....great driving! I would like to drive once on the snow...it must be really fun!!
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      02-05-2013, 12:07 PM   #14
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It is great fun. I have done it every winter since 1999, one or two weekends per year.
The F20 is very nice for the purpose. Nimble and stable at the same time.
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Nice driving, and nice photos! Where did you drive?
I heard there was an ice driving event by Autostrada in Kviteseid, Telemark this weekend.
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We drove at Oftevatn by Høydalsmo. The host was BMW Car Club Oslo & Akershus.
Maybe the Autostrada event is at the same track.
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      02-06-2013, 03:31 PM   #17
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It is so much fun to drive on ice! Looks like a perfect day for both you and the car
I drove the most time with DSC off, the Sport+ mode wasn't too much fun to drive in i think, to much braking as you say.

Here is a pic of me in my car at Ferdinand Motor's event at Vurrusjøen Iceway:
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      02-06-2013, 04:06 PM   #18
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You even have a fairly clean car! :-)

Looks like you installed rear mud flaps as well. Did they fit easily?
And I notice you also have that ugly warning sticker on the passenger side sun visor. I am always annoyed by how it looks in pictures.
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You even have a fairly clean car! :-)

Looks like you installed rear mud flaps as well. Did they fit easily?
And I notice you also have that ugly warning sticker on the passenger side sun visor. I am always annoyed by how it looks in pictures.
Im surprised that i drove all the way from Hønefoss to Trysil, and the car looked like this! (The weather was cold as ice though)

Yes, they fitted very easily. Its a bit loose on the top, but i think that is because i didn't let the glue dry out as much as it should.
And i agree, it is a bit annoying with that sticker... I have thought about ordering one from a RHD car actually, because there is no sticker on the drivers site
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Hi, I notice your m sport has mudflaps, are these the BMW ones or aftermarket option?

Thanks

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Hi, I notice your m sport has mudflaps, are these the BMW ones or aftermarket option?

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They are original BMW parts. BMW claims they do not fit M-Sport cars, but they do.
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Cool, got mine ordered now.
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