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      12-18-2012, 10:47 PM   #23
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If that time is impressive, which it is, how does a Renault RS265 do the same circuit in 8:08? Maybe there is a short cut that Renault knows about that no one else knows?

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People are saying it could be faster with the 8speed auto but same could be said for the 2007 m3 which was a manual.

Anyone have any m3 DCT time? I would venture to say that would be a good 5 seconds faster given its huge benefit in the 120mph plus speeds in terms of its much favorable gearing and the fact there are so many long straights of this speed and higher compared to sub 80mph where gearing is not a huge advantage for dct
Yes please. Anyone have times for the E92 M3 ZCP DCT?
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The hatch looks ugly...don't care bout timings.
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OP can you add in the F10 M5 time? It's 7:55.
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If that time is impressive, which it is, how does a Renault RS265 do the same circuit in 8:08? Maybe there is a short cut that Renault knows about that no one else knows?
Maybe they drove up Steilstrecke? That's a nice shortcut. I have only driven it the opposite direction, but I would say you could save a few seconds this way.

Anyway, I am slightly disappointed by the 8:18 time, as I had expected it to be even faster. Oh well.
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      12-19-2012, 03:17 AM   #28
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As I said in an earlier post in this thread, the M135i is a successor to the 135is basically. There won't be any more IS models going forward, replaced by these M performance cars
Well obviously BMW thinks it's a good idea to keep the Z4 35is as such
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The M135i isn't a successor to the 135is - they didn't make an Exx hatchback with the N54/N55 in the UK/Europe.

It's a different car completely!

Pretty respectable time IMHO.
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If that time is impressive, which it is, how does a Renault RS265 do the same circuit in 8:08? Maybe there is a short cut that Renault knows about that no one else knows?
The difference being, Sports Auto with one of their own testers at the helm does one sighting lap and then follows up with a balls out timed, Renault Sport on the other hand, set up a camp at the GP circuit for a number of days, endless amounts of laps with all areas being monitored by the team engineers and adjustments being made through out, and at the helm, the actual RS test driver involved in the development of the car...............I think that says it all really!
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OP can you add in the F10 M5 time? It's 7:55.
Also add Z4MC (E86) time of 8.12 pls
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What are you talking about?
Do people online just like to complain without thinking first? Seems like people's the first instinct is to be negative and complain...
This.

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The M135i isn't a successor to the 135is - they didn't make an Exx hatchback with the N54/N55 in the UK/Europe.

It's a different car completely!
What everyone is saying is that there will be no more XXXis models. It is perceived that the MXXXi models are a replacement in the marketing lineup, rather than a direct replacement car-for-car.
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      12-19-2012, 09:42 AM   #37
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Well obviously BMW thinks it's a good idea to keep the Z4 35is as such
Because it's still the current generation Z4. They're not going to change up the IS name mid-model.
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For those focused on the time differences here. Keep in mind that these are times compiled across sessions (years, really) and different drivers. A time of 8:18 is 498 seconds. A difference of 3 seconds is 0.6%. In other words, it is well within the margin of error when you consider driver, track conditions, and changes in the ring over the years.

The message one should take from this is that the M135i is "comparable" to many of the cars on this list in terms of ability to get around the Nurburgring quickly. I'd consider anything from 8:10 to 8:26 a comparable performing car. What this list *doesn't* tell you is how the cars *feel* when going around the track. You can bet that while the M135i does it quickly, it won't feel as sharp or engaging as the true M cars on that list.
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I totally get the distinction now getting rid of the IS models and putting the M in front of the series. I don't really like it but some dude that gets paid way more than I do comes up with those brilliant decisions.

On the BMW website this is the information they have on the M135i. Maybe I'm reading it wrong but it says it comes with an M engine. Just curious but can someone clarify this for me if I'm understanding it wrong?
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...model.html#t=l



BMW M135i.

The perfect interplay of engine, chassis and steering wheel as well as its precise and sporty handling allow the BMW M135i to dazzle with pure agility and suitability for everyday use.

The M Performance TwinPower Turbo straight six-cylinder petrol engine combines a TwinScroll turbocharger with Valvetronic, double-Vanos and High Precision Injection. An extremely spontaneous response, high torque even at low speeds and a wide rotational speed range characterise this powerful engine.

A powerful 235 kW (320 hp) and a maximum torque of 450 Nm are particularly impressive in light of the consumption values: an average consumption of just 7.5 l/100 km and CO2 emissions of 175 g/km for the model with 8-speed automatic transmission and 8.0 l/100 km and CO2 emissions of 188 g/km for the manual model underscore the excellent relationship between dynamics and efficiency*.

BMW xDrive, the intelligent all-wheel drive available as an optional extra, distributes performance variably across all four drive wheels. The result is optimal traction on any surface and pure driving dynamics with an average consumption of 7.8 litres per 100 km and CO2 emissions of 182 g/km*.

* Fuel consumption and emission values are provisional and have yet to be officially confirmed.
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On the BMW website this is the information they have on the M135i. Maybe I'm reading it wrong but it says it comes with an M engine. Just curious but can someone clarify this for me if I'm understanding it wrong?
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...model.html#t=l

BMW M135i.

The perfect interplay of engine, chassis and steering wheel as well as its precise and sporty handling allow the BMW M135i to dazzle with pure agility and suitability for everyday use.

The M Performance TwinPower Turbo straight six-cylinder petrol engine combines a TwinScroll turbocharger with Valvetronic, double-Vanos and High Precision Injection. An extremely spontaneous response, high torque even at low speeds and a wide rotational speed range characterise this powerful engine.

A powerful 235 kW (320 hp) and a maximum torque of 450 Nm are particularly impressive in light of the consumption values: an average consumption of just 7.5 l/100 km and CO2 emissions of 175 g/km for the model with 8-speed automatic transmission and 8.0 l/100 km and CO2 emissions of 188 g/km for the manual model underscore the excellent relationship between dynamics and efficiency*.
Just marketing talk.

M135i has a tuned N55 engine.
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I totally get the distinction now getting rid of the IS models and putting the M in front of the series. I don't really like it but some dude that gets paid way more than I do comes up with those brilliant decisions.

On the BMW website this is the information they have on the M135i. Maybe I'm reading it wrong but it says it comes with an M engine. Just curious but can someone clarify this for me if I'm understanding it wrong?
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...model.html#t=l
Let's get one thing straight: this absolutely is not your fault. BMW is diluting the M brand. End of story. With that out of the way, we have to take a step back and ask ourselves what an "M engine" is.

Traditionally, M cars ending in a single digit (M3, M5, etc) had engines that were unique to the M car they were found in. For example, the V8 found in the E92 M3 was built and designed for the M3. It was not sourced from elsewhere. Well, technically, it's based on the V10 found in the M5, but it was an M engine design from start to finish. In the past, BMW Motorsport (an outside division responsible for developing M cars) has used off-the-shelf engine blocks, but the M variant of the engine always had very special components like forged internals and re-designed heads and valvetrains. In short, "real" M engines are a significant deviation from the BMW engines you'd find in a mainstream BMW.

When we look at the M135i, the engine is a vanilla N55 [MAY BE INCORRECT, SEE IMPORTANT POST BY MAPEZZUL BELOW] with a different software package. That I'm aware of, there are no physical changes to the engine internals. This is the case for all MXXXi models. The engine is a production variant with some minor changes; usually software.

So, the engine in the M135i may be designated as an "M Performance" engine, but that is a marketing label only. The enthusiasts here on Bimmerpost prefer to look at what the engine actually is, rather than what label is assigned to it.
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When we look at the M135i, the engine is a vanilla N55 with a different software package. That I'm aware of, there are no physical changes to the engine internals. This is the case for all MXXXi models. The engine is a production variant with some minor changes; usually software.

So, the engine in the M135i may be designated as an "M Performance" engine, but that is a marketing label only. The enthusiasts here on Bimmerpost prefer to look at what the engine actually is, rather than what label is assigned to it.
You are incorrect in that assumption- The M135i has a forged crank and different rings additional cooling and of course software. There will more to the next version.
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You are incorrect in that assumption- The M135i has a forged crank and different rings additional cooling and of course software. There will more to the next version.
I don't mean to be argumentative, but has that been confirmed either by a tear down or by BMW? There is also a fair amount of controversy over whether the N54 had a forged crank versus the non-forged part in the N55.

I ask only to be informed, not because I think I'm right. I also added a note to my post so that someone won't read that "vanilla N55" comment and come away with the impression that it is factual.
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I do realize that the 1M is special. However, for a new generation car to not be faster or as fast as the fastest previous generation car? That's pretty disappointing.

I hope the M2 does better.
1M is a real M car

M135i is not an M car

this makes the M135i's achievement here pretty incredible- no locking diff either
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