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      06-04-2012, 12:45 PM   #89
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Try as I do - I still can't see past the uglyness. The e87 Msport was SO MUCH BETTER LOOKING!

Oh BMW, one major styling f$%k up in the last 8 years isn't bad!
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      06-05-2012, 02:40 AM   #90
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My dealer has a week 27 build slot for a M135i but not sure whether its a 3 door or a 5 door....
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      06-10-2012, 01:56 PM   #91
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Hello there. New member here. I am getting the 116i F20 in a couple of weeks.
I was wondering why there isnt any 'f20 tuning' thread yet. Isnt anyone here curious about engine upgrades like cold air intake, exhaust, oil catch can, etc?
Nice to meet you guys.
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      06-11-2012, 02:05 AM   #92
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Hello there. New member here. I am getting the 116i F20 in a couple of weeks.
I was wondering why there isnt any 'f20 tuning' thread yet. Isnt anyone here curious about engine upgrades like cold air intake, exhaust, oil catch can, etc?
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Welcome!

Here, are a couple of threads about tuning the F20:

http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=645440

http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=671785

http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=697555
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      06-11-2012, 09:08 AM   #93
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Thanks but as I see everything is about software upgrade.. Where is the hardware upgrade?

p.s. Sorry for posting in wrong section, I was in hurry.
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      06-12-2012, 01:17 AM   #94
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Thanks but as I see everything is about software upgrade.. Where is the hardware upgrade?
Νο hardware upgrades yet....it takes time to be developed (it they ever will...not a big market for these cars), so be patient. But I would not expect much apart from an exhaust (maybe full from downpipes to back box) and maybe an intercooler.
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      06-12-2012, 09:05 AM   #95
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The engine's destiny is to reach 240+hp with stage1 upgrades. Its only a matter of time.
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      06-12-2012, 10:01 AM   #96
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What? N13B16 with 240hp? Hmkay.. I'm looking forward to seeing hard facts
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      06-12-2012, 10:09 AM   #97
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What? N13B16 with 240hp? Hmkay.. I'm looking forward to seeing hard facts
I didnt tell that will be my car! But thats my expectations for a decent stage 1.
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I didnt tell that will be my car! But thats my expectations for a decent stage 1.
What do you define as stage 1? Because, for me stage 1 is just an ECU (or tuning Box) reflash and maybe an exhaust. Definetely with these 2 modifications I doubt anyone will see more than 200bhp. For 240+ bhp I believe you will need a new Turbo (similar to the JCW one), Intercooler, downpipe and probably injectors.
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      06-13-2012, 04:44 AM   #99
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I bet on cold air intake, downpipe, and remap, along with some other minor upgrades depending on the engine's needs, but pretty much nothing extraordinary like injectors or turbo you mention. As i see the OEM intercooler is in a respectable size too.
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      07-06-2012, 07:08 AM   #100
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What is the purpose of 114i when it has the same emissions and fuel consumption with that of 116i?? Better price vs less performance? What BMW should be looking into is better performance + better price.
The 114i is being launched to be underpowered- it is to market the 3 cylinders which are coming shortly as well as the FWD CST. MINI currently uses similar output and sells them more than the higher output for fuel conscious.

By showing a lowly 114i powered by a 4 cylinder as less powerful than the 3 cylinder it shows the new 3 cylinder as "better" than the outgoing 4 and with the CST being smaller and lighter it will be an all around better value and product.

Sounds crazy but that is the reason. Not to be overshadowed in the EU is the idea that small displacement is king as it saves fuel and saves money in taxes and purchase price. Also not everyone is interested in the fastest mode of transport but something built well and comfortable.
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      07-06-2012, 07:37 AM   #102
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The 114i makes a lot of sense in countries like Norway. Because of tax on power output, it is about 4500 euros cheaper than a 116i. And with very low speed limits on our roads, it takes the same time from A to B with a 114i as with an M135i.

Besides, the 114i has a lot of tuning potential. I'm guessing that many of the owners will chip tune the car and not tell anyone. That way they can have the power of a 118i for 2/3rds of the cost.
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      07-06-2012, 07:40 AM   #103
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so a 335xi with 300HP is 0-60 in 4.8 seconds
but a M135 with 320HP which should weigh much less is 0-60 in 4.9 seconds

does BMW just pull these numbers out of a hat?
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      07-06-2012, 07:45 AM   #104
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On high power cars, AWD is an advantage at a standing start. I guess the 335xi can get more power down in first gear. The gear ratios are also important. If second gear stops just short of your target speed, you get an extra gearing that takes time.
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      07-06-2012, 07:50 AM   #105
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The 114i makes a lot of sense in countries like Norway. Because of tax on power output, it is about 4500 euros cheaper than a 116i. And with very low speed limits on our roads, it takes the same time from A to B with a 114i as with an M135i.

Besides, the 114i has a lot of tuning potential. I'm guessing that many of the owners will chip tune the car and not tell anyone. That way they can have the power of a 118i for 2/3rds of the cost.
As above, but in Finland we don't have tax based on horsepower, just co2. And even then the 114 is 3000 euros cheaper than 116 and a whole 7000 euros cheaper than 118. I don't understand the huge difference between 14 and 16 in price because the emissions are identical. This is why I'm going for a 14...
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Will this ever be available in the US? The 5 door is so sexy You'd think it'd compete with the A3 pretty well.
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      07-06-2012, 08:14 AM   #107
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Hands down the ugliest car BMW has ever made. Actually one of the ugliest cars made today by any brand.

This makes the 5GT look like a supermodel.
The car as a whole is not ugly at all... it has the right lines and curves where it needs...









BUT THE UGLIEST THING IS THE HEADLIGHT DESIGN !!!
just BECAUSE of the headlights, make the car extremely unpleasant to look at...

For those who say this is cute:



the 1 series is as cute as Quasimodo, the hutchback of Notre Dame!
This 1 series is like a Japanese cartoon character who has been staying awake for 5 days straight... those creepy eyes!

BMW: FIX, THOSE HEADLIGHTS!!! then bring it to the US...
only then can we start talking...

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      07-06-2012, 08:28 AM   #108
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BUT THE UGLIEST THING IS THE HEADLIGHT DESIGN !!!
just BECAUSE of the headlights, make the car extremely unpleasant to look at...

For those who say this is cute:



the 1 series is as cute as Quasimodo, the hutchback of Notre Dame!
This 1 series is like a Japanese cartoon character who has been staying awake for 5 days straight... those creepy eyes!

BMW: FIX, THOSE HEADLIGHTS!!! then bring it to the US...
only then can we start talking...

This. Haha. If you start from the rear it's a nice looking car. Working to the side it still is until you reach the front, that's where the design fails. Absolutely LOVE the interior. I like how it now reflects the personality of the car unlike all the Exx chassis cars which were almost all the same.
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What? N13B16 with 240hp? Hmkay.. I'm looking forward to seeing hard facts
Basically the same as the MINI engine and that puts out 207hp in John Cooper Works trim. BMW just made adjustments to turn the engine from transverse to longitudinal and changed the software to fit the "needs" of BMW drivers.

Also- that 1.6l block is the same as what BMW Motorsport works with for its S2000 FIA offerings (WTCC, WRC, etc.) it is capable of over 400hp with extensive tuning.

This fall it will begin its transition out as the 3 cylinder N37 begins to enter the scene.
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      07-06-2012, 09:13 AM   #110
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a practical M135.. and it's not coming to USA..
Coupe better be a stunner!
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