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      05-26-2012, 03:00 PM   #45
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They would be fools not to introduce this to the market. I have no doubt this car will sell and I have a feeling it will be their new flagship car.
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      05-26-2012, 04:01 PM   #46
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So are you saying families didn't exist when the E36 and E46 came out? My friends are well over 6'2 and would fit in the back of my E90 just fine. I can also sit in the back of an E82 without a single problem.

I personally think that the F30 is big enough where you could fit an E46-sized car underneath it, in coupe and sedan form, which would be called the 2-series and 2-series Gran Coupe respectively. The 1-series will remain as a hatchback only.
Like I said from a comfortability perspective, it sucks. Sitting in the back more than an hour just isn't comfortable.
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      05-26-2012, 04:22 PM   #47
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BMW must do this little sedan/ GranCoupe!
But it must have also a very good quality, not like they have done with the base version of first X1s !
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      05-26-2012, 07:39 PM   #48
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Who the hell wants a 4 door 1 series?
Myself and tens of thousands of others; Those who still hold true to BMW's original reward winning E3x recipe.

Next time don't be so quick to insult, you may look a fool.
+1000

I would love to see a return to smaller, lighter more toss able cars.

And generalizations like that leave one looking awfully foolish when disproven so easily.
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      05-26-2012, 08:32 PM   #49
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It doesn't make any sense to me, but then I guess it doesn't need to. I thought the even numbers were for two door vehicles and the odd ones were for four door vehicles....clearly I was wrong.
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      05-26-2012, 08:42 PM   #50
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Maybe they should've just not made the 3 series bigger every damned cycle. They could've just left it at the size of the E30/36...
Well, to some extent, you may have a point there, yet I suspect BMW want a four door sub-compact as well. The 3er is a compact car, but now it's comfortable for front and rear passengers, so I see the point of "growing up" the 3er. Too the 3er fits in the mid-range as goes pricing, but certainly at the upper end of the middle (not including options). This 1/2 thing would let them offer something at the lower end of the middle, whereby one can get a reasonable assortment of options and still come in under $40K, which is rather hard to do with a 3er these days.

The question I have is whether or not this new model will assume the spot the 3er holds for driving prowess, which for me is the reason to buy a 3 and not a 5 or 6 or 7.
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      05-26-2012, 08:56 PM   #51
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YES PLEASE!

Give us e46 drivers something comparable to slip into instead of the boat that has become the new 3er...

Coming in 2020, the BMW 1/2 Series! For when the BMW 1 grows as big as an e90...
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      05-27-2012, 12:38 AM   #52
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They should make it close to the size and weight of the E36 since the current 3 series is more like the size of the old 5 series.
Def agree. I went from an E34 to an E90, and felt the E90 was only a tiny bit smaller than the E34. A new BMW sedan that's around the size of E36 would be awesome and I would def consider one.
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      05-27-2012, 06:40 PM   #53
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Have no doubt that the end result will be a "1 series" sedan, regardless of opinion and speculation.

The simple matter at hand is money, and as any significant shareholder of BMW AG knows...these Bavarians mean to make tons of it. BMW capitalized on the sub 5er market with the 3er and they will subsequently capitalize on the sub 3er market with the proper and expected 1er GC/sedan. It is inevitable that such a car be presented by the esteemed BMW and it is inevitable that they will succeed.

Proof, you ask? No one has any. "Scott" has none, I haven't either. So long as BMW continues to do what they do best and make sub-compact sports cars they WILL develope..slash that (they already have it developed)..a 1er sedan.


The only question is: When will they bring it to market?
I agree wholeheartedly, and the time to bring it to market is now! BMW has been beaten to market in other segments, but a successful X1 and a small four door sedan would be a major coup with respect to the entry level luxury market. The current models have all moved upmarket in the US and smaller more fuel efficient cars are in demand. if only for the us market, like the e82 coupe, a 1 series sedan is needed.
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      07-17-2012, 03:30 PM   #54
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Just give me an M2 coupe that is fast, aggressive, and looks great. I will sign my money over quickly
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      07-17-2012, 03:34 PM   #55
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Nice. Give me an M2 GC or an M2 CSL.
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      07-17-2012, 03:37 PM   #56
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I'm in for an M2 gran coupe that's as badass as the 1M. Timing would be about right for getting out of my e90, as well. In general, I'm not a fan of BMW throwing around the M badge and coming out with a million models, but I feel like a smaller sport sedan would be a nod to the olden days that established the company as a legit enthusiast's car company.
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      07-17-2012, 03:44 PM   #57
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Again, this is great news. The F30 has simply gotten too large, and this rumored 2-series Gran Coupe will be the perfect successor to the E46 sedan, which was the perfect size for a car of its utility.

It'll now be interesting to see if BMW actually makes an M version of this car.
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By the way, what would be the chassis designation for this?

F20 = 5-door 1-series
F21 = 3-door 1-series
F22 = 2-door 2-series
F23 = convertible 2-series
F24 = 2-series Gran Coupe?
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What about performance? I don't think they want to cannibalize their 3 series market. Why not just bring their hatchback model to the US instead?
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      07-17-2012, 04:07 PM   #60
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What about performance? I don't think they want to cannibalize their 3 series market. Why not just bring their hatchback model to the US instead?
I don't think they're worried about that. The current 128 and 135 already have identical engines to the 3ers, so the performance is similar, if not better in the 1er.
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      07-17-2012, 04:10 PM   #61
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what a mess Grand-Coupe and 4 doors.. just call it sedan something.. coupe is always 2 doors.
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What about performance? I don't think they want to cannibalize their 3 series market. Why not just bring their hatchback model to the US instead?
Premium priced hatchbacks are a tough sell in the US.

That's why you don't see BMW bring one to the US.
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F24 M2 GC is the perfect car for me... I would buy that car sight unseen right now
Pleas make it BMW and please do not price it $10K over an M2 Coupe
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I am holding out for the M2 coupe/hatchback... as this could be the car the make legendary news. Anything close to E46 M3 will suffice
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Will a 2-series sedan contradict their aim to put coupes in even-numbered series?
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Will a 2-series sedan contradict their aim to put coupes in even-numbered series?
There won't be a 2 series sedan, the article is talking about a 2 series 4 door coupe (Grand Coupe / GC)
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