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      02-19-2015, 08:32 AM   #1
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MJ vs Kobe

Hi all,

I was doing some searching and found this (I hope this isn't a re post). I think there is NO argument who is a better player. MJ was superior pretty much in every category. One exception might be that Kobe was a better 3 point shooter.

And the gap between them gets wider in playoffs AND even more in finals where the greatness is measured. This doesn't make Kobe a bad player, but not as good as MJ, not even close.

IMO, the major difference between them is that MJ was a much better defender and a leader. And MJ's numbers would have been better if it wasn't for his 2 year farewell with Washington

Here it is. Enjoy

http://swishnba.com/2013/06/07/kobe-...13-comparison/


MVP:

Kobe: 1 – Second in MVP voting once, third in MVP voting three times

MJ: 5 – Second in MVP voting 3 times, third in MVP voting twice

Championships:

Kobe: 5

MJ: 6

Finals MVP:

Kobe: 2

MJ: *6 – only player to win 3 straight Finals MVPs multiple times (Shaq did it from 00-02)

DPOY (Defensive Player of the Year)

Kobe: 0 – finished 3rd once

MJ: 1 – finished top 5 seven times

ROTY: (Rookie of the Year)

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1 – As a rookie MJ led his team in points, rebounds, assists and steals

Scoring Champion:

Kobe: 2 – led the league in total points scored 4 times

MJ: *10 – led the league in total points scored 11 times

Steals Champion:

Kobe: 0

MJ: 3

Scoring Title and MVP in the same season

Kobe: 0

MJ: *5 – (88, 91, 92, 96, 98)

Scoring Title and Steals title in the same season

Kobe: 0

MJ: *3 – (88, 90, 93)

Scoring Title and DPOY in the same season

Kobe: 0

MJ: *1 – (88) – The year MJ won DPOY he led the league in steals (total and average) and points (total and average)

Scoring Title and Finals MVP in the same season

Kobe: 0

MJ: *6 – only player to do this multiple times. – (91-93, 96-98)

Scoring Title, MVP and Finals MVP in the same season

Kobe: 0

MJ: *4 – (91, 92, 96 & 98)

MVP and Finals MVP in the same season

Kobe: 0

MJ: *4 – (91, 92, 96 & 98)

MVP, All Star MVP and Finals MVP in the same season

Kobe: 0

MJ: *2 – only person to do it multiple times

Season Totals

Games Played:

Kobe: 1239

MJ: 1072

Minutes played:

Kobe: 45,390

MJ: 41,011

Seasons over 2000 points

Kobe: 8

MJ: 11

Seasons over 2500 points

Kobe: 1

MJ: 6

Seasons over 2750 points

Kobe: 0

MJ: 3

Seasons over 3000 points

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1

Seasons over 50 blocks

Kobe: 4

MJ: 8

Seasons over 75 blocks

Kobe: 0

MJ: 4

Seasons over 100 blocks

Kobe: 0

MJ: 2

Seasons over 100 steals

Kobe: 11

MJ: 12

Seasons over 150 steals

Kobe: 2

MJ: 9

Seasons over 200 steals

Kobe: 0

MJ: 6

Seasons over 250 steals

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1

Seasons over 200 steals and 100 blocks

Kobe: 0

MJ: *2 – only person to do it multiple times (Pippen and Hakeem did it once each)

Seasons over 300 assists

Kobe: 13

MJ: 12

Seasons over 400 assists

Kobe: 5

MJ: 7

Seasons over 500 assists

Kobe: 0

MJ: 2

Seasons over 600 assists

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1

Seasons over 400 rebounds

Kobe: 9

MJ: 12

Seasons over 450 rebounds

Kobe: 2

MJ: 7

Seasons over 500 rebounds

Kobe: 2

MJ: 6

Seasons over 550 rebounds

Kobe: 1

MJ: 2

Seasons over 600 rebounds

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1

Seasons over 650 rebounds

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1

Seasons over 40% shooting

Kobe: 17

MJ: 15

Seasons over 45% shooting

Kobe: 12

MJ: 12

Seasons over 46% shooting

Kobe: 7

MJ: 11

Seasons over 47% shooting

Kobe: 0

MJ: 10

Seasons over 48% shooting

Kobe: 0

MJ: 10

Seasons over 49% shooting

Kobe: 0

MJ: 8

Seasons over 50% shooting

Kobe: 0

MJ: 6

Seasons over 51% shooting

Kobe: 0

MJ: 6

Seasons over 52% shooting

Kobe: 0

MJ: 4

Seasons over 53% shooting

Kobe: 0

MJ: 3

Seasons under 25% from 3

Kobe: 0

MJ: 6

Seasons shooting over 25% from 3

Kobe: 17

MJ: 9

Seasons shooting over 30% from 3

Kobe: 15

MJ: 6

Seasons shooting over 31% from 3

Kobe: 13

MJ: 6

Seasons shooting over 32% from 3

Kobe: 12

MJ: 5

Seasons shooting over 33% from 3

Kobe: 8

MJ: 5

Seasons shooting over 34% from 3

Kobe: 7

MJ: 5

Seasons shooting over 35% from 3

Kobe: 4

MJ: 5

Seasons shooting over 36% from 3

Kobe: 3

MJ: 5

Seasons shooting over 37% from 3

Kobe: 2

MJ: 4

Seasons shooting over 38% from 3

Kobe: 1

MJ: 2

Seasons shooting over 40% from 3

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1

Seasons shooting over 50% from 3

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1

Regular Season (per game):

Points per game:

Kobe: 25.5

MJ: *30.1

Rebounds per game:

Kobe: 5.3

MJ: 6.2

Assists per game:

Kobe: 4.8

MJ: 5.3

Steals per game:

Kobe: 1.5

MJ: 2.3

Blocks per game:

Kobe: 0.5

MJ: 0.8

FG%

Kobe: .454

MJ: .497

FT%

Kobe: .838

MJ: .835

3PT%

Kobe: .336

MJ: .327

Turnovers per game:

Kobe: 3.0

MJ: 2.7

Clutch:

Kobe: 46 for 155 (29.7%)

MJ: *33 for 58 (56.9%)

Regular Season (advanced metrics):

PER: (Player Efficiency Rating – A measure of per minute production)

Kobe: 23.4 (19th all time) – Finished third once, fifth four times and sixth twice

MJ: *27.9 (1st all time) – Finished first seven times, second three times and fourth once

WS/48 (Win Shares per 48 minutes) – An estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player per 48 mins – league average is approximately .100)

Kobe: .183 (29th all time) – Finished fourth once, seventh once and 8th in the league four times

MJ: *.250 (1st all time) – Finished first eight times, second once and third twice.

Win Shares (Total all time) – An estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player

Kobe: 173.33 (14th) – Finished fourth in the league three times and fifth once

MJ: 214.02 (4th) – Finished first in the league nine times and second twice

Offensive Win Shares (Total all time) – An estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player due to his offence

Kobe: 123.84 (9th) – Finished second in the league once and third in the league once

MJ: 149.88 (4th) – Finished first eight times and second three times.

Defensive Win Shares (Total all time) – An estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player due to his defence

Kobe: 49.5 (46th) – Finished tenth in the league once.

MJ: 64.1 (21st) 0 Finished second once, third once, fourth once and fifth three times.

Post Season (per game):

Points per game:

Kobe: 25.6

MJ: *33.4

Rebounds per game:

Kobe: 5.1

MJ: 6.4

Assists per game:

Kobe: 4.7

MJ: 5.7

Steals per game:

Kobe: 1.4

MJ: 2.1

Blocks per game:

Kobe: 0.7

MJ: 0.9

FG%

Kobe: .448%

MJ: .487%

FT%

Kobe: .816

MJ: .828

3PT%

Kobe: .331

MJ: .332

Turnovers per game:

Kobe: 2.9

MJ: 3.1

Clutch:

Kobe: 7 for 28 (25%)

MJ: *9 for 18 (50%)

Post Season (advanced metrics):

PER: (Player Efficiency Rating)

Kobe: 22.40 (22nd)

MJ: *28.60

WS/48 (Win Shares per 48 minutes)

Kobe: .1570 (46th)

MJ: *.2553

Win Shares (Total all time)

Kobe: 28.26 (8th)

MJ: *39.76

Offensive Win Shares (Total all time)

Kobe: 20.97 (5th)

MJ: *27.32

Leaders (Reg Season): (How many times has each player led the league in…)

PER:

Kobe: 0

MJ: 7

Offensive Win Shares

Kobe: 0

MJ: 8

Win Shares:

Kobe: 0

MJ: 9

Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

Kobe: 0

MJ: 8

Leaders (Post Season) : (How many times has each player led the league in…)

PER:

Kobe: 0

MJ: 6

Offensive Win Shares

Kobe: 0

MJ: 7

Win Shares:

Kobe: 1

MJ: 9

Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

Kobe: 0

MJ: 8

NBA Finals Averages

Kobe – 37 games: 25.3ppg, 5.7rpg, 5.05apg, 1.76spg, 0.9bpg, 41.2% FG, 31.3%3pt, 84.7% FT

MJ – 35 games: 33.6ppg, 6.02rpg, 5.97apg, 1.77spg, 0.65bpg, 48.1% FG, 36.8%3pt, 80.6% FT

Kobe’s NBA Finals Performances

2000 NBA Finals – 15.6ppg, 4.6 rpg, 4.2apg, 1.0spg, 1.4bpg, 36.7% FG, 20.0% 3pt FG, 90.9% FT% – W (win)

2001 NBA Finals – 24.6ppg, 7.8rpg, 5.8apg, 1.4spg, 1.4bpg, 41.5% FG, 33.3% FT% - W

2002 NBA Finals – 26.8ppg, 5.8rpg, 5.3apg, 1.5spg, 0.8bpg, 51.4% FG, 54.5% 3PT, 80.6% FT – W

2004 NBA Finals – 22.6ppg, 2.8rpg, 4.4apg, 1.8spg, 0.6bpg, 38.1% FG, 17.4% 3PT, 92.0% FT – L

2008 NBA Finals – 25.7ppg, 4.7rpg, 5.0apg, 2.7spg, 0.2bpg, 40.5% FG, 32.1% 3PT, 79.6% FT – L

2009 NBA Finals – 32.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 7.4apg, 1.4spg, 1.4bpg, 43.0% FG, 36.0 3PT%, 84.1% FT – W - Finals MVP

2010 NBA Finals – 28.6ppg, 8.0rpg, 3.9apg, 2.1spg, 0.7bpg, 40.5% FG, 31.9 3PT%, 88.3% FT – W – Finals MVP

Michael Jordan’s NBA Finals Performances

1991 NBA Final: 31.2ppg, 6.6rpg, 11.4apg, 2,8spg, 1.4bpg, 55% FG, 50% 3PT, 84.8% FT – W – Finals MVP

1992 NBA final: 35.8ppg, 4.8rpg, 6.5apg, 1.7spg, 0.3bpg, 52.6% FG, 42.9 3PT%, 89.1% FT – W – Finals MVP

1993 NBA final: 41.0ppg (NBA Finals record), 8.5rpg, 6.3apg, 1.7spg, 0.7bpg, 50.8% FG, 40.0% 3PT, 69.4% FT – W – Finals MVP

1996 NBA Final: 27.3ppg, 5.3rpg, 4.2apg, 1.7spg, 0.2bpg, 41% FG, 31.6% 3PT, 83.6% FT – W – Finals MVP

1997 NBA Final: 32.3ppg, 7.0rpg, 6.0apg, 1.2spg, 0.8bpg, 45.6%FG, 32.0% 3PT, 76.4% FT – W – Finals MVP

1998 NBA Final: 33.5ppg, 4.0rpg, 2.3apg, 1.8spg, 0.7bpg, 42.7% FG, 30.8 3PT%, 81.4% FT – W - Finals MVP
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